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  •  This blog will support Hillary in 2016 (2+ / 0-)
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    I say that as someone who supported Obama against Hillary in the 2008 Primary.

    We Dems are screwed if she does not run.   We may need to beg her to run.

    •  I'm not going to worry about 2016 (12+ / 0-)

      until much, much closer.

      Hillary Clinton looks exhausted. And that's not surprising, she has been working her behind off -- she's been the most engaged SoS I can recall. It's up to her whether she has any desire to run.

      We have other good candidates regardless. I'll make my primary decision as I always do -- looking at all of the possible choices, their chances of winning, how reasonably well their policies seem to move toward something better aligned with my ideals. I'll make my general election decision as I always do, too -- vote for the dem.

      But otherwise, I have no strong opinion now on anything to do with the next presidential election. I do think that the work she has done at state has been really, really impressive to me, and I was neither Clinton's biggest fan especially on foreign policy before. Obama obviously sets basic policy there, but they seem in alignment overall, and the skill she has shown in implementation of that policy and in long-term structural change to our diplomacy has been really smart stuff, IMO.

      •  Sure, there may be other (1+ / 0-)
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        qualified candidates--as Kossacks might judge.  But nobody with the electoral strength of Hillary.

        •  Why is it that anything that involves HC at all, (6+ / 0-)

          even in a ceremonial role, immediately becomes a "Hillary for President in 2016" thread. As I see it, Hillary was sent in the final stages of the first round of talks as a sealer, someone whose public particiation would made it more difficult to wiggle out of for the one whose wiggling is notorious, Bibi, allegedly a personal family friend of the Clintons. Ceremonial announcings by high officials of deals reached in fact by others, maybe just maybe the guy on the phone, are just that, ceremonial.

          What will be material here is what happens next, whether the blockage will release cinnamon as a restricted item or whether the release will permit genuine commerce to the people of Gaza not limited to Israel. If she gets that done, that would be important.

      •  Don't let the Republicans get a head start (2+ / 0-)
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        Tamar, JamieG from Md

        Rubio, Jindal and Christie aren't waiting.

        The Dems will necessarily be in a holding pattern for the next two years until Hillary decides (hopefully) to jump in.

        Always  good to press the advantage while we can.  In that vein, it is just fine imo to start thinking out loud on this blog about 2016.    

        •  If Hillary delays electioneering on the Dem (1+ / 0-)
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          side for two years by not announcing anything then I would vote for her to be sainted.  People are sick of electioneering and letting the GOP get out there and make themselves heard as much as possible for the next two years is the best thing we can hope for.

          The revolution will not be televised. But it will be blogged, a lot. Probably more so than is necessary.

          by AoT on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 12:18:17 PM PST

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    •  I'm not sure about "screwed," but I do think (2+ / 0-)
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      she would be wonderful. But I agree with Spit that she looks exhausted -- she has been traveling non-stop for 4 years.
      I hope she decides she wants to run.

      We're not perfect, but they're nuts! -- Barney Frank

      by Tamar on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 11:29:41 AM PST

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    •  nope (2+ / 0-)

      but this is not the year to have this particular battle. check back in 2014.

      •  Well, you could give us (0+ / 0-)

        at least a hint who else you think could run and win.  Can't just stop with this tease.

        •  what part of check back in 2014 was unclear? (5+ / 0-)

          2013-2014 will determine most of the cast of players, and the political and historical stage they they'll play upon. not december of 2012, which will be old news by then. i have personally never been impressed with clinton as a candidate (her supporters focus way too much of their energy proclaiming her inevitable, which is a weak strategy IMO), but that's beside the point at the moment.

          it wasn't a tease, i meant what i said.

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