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  •  You are of course correct (11+ / 0-)

    ...but the fundamentalist reading of the Old Testament tends to extoll the violence of the occupation of Canaan, the strictness of the religious practices, and the aspect of God as wrathful with those who have displeased Him.

    The secular consequences of the religious right trying to institutionalize those views in the operation of the government has drawn a backlash to the claimed source of the religious right's authority.

    What needs to happen is for those representing the reading that you have to be more vocal in presenting it in opposition to the folks who have reduced its message and not to the folks who are reacting through backlash to that reduction.

    50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

    by TarheelDem on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 03:31:28 PM PST

    •  Tarheel Dem, best comment so far -- (6+ / 0-)

      You first & second paragraphs point to a politicized fundamentalism  which has been institutionalized by the Religious Right.  Spot on.

      My first memory of this fundamentalism-as-politics is from the mid-1970s, when Anita Bryant (The Orange Juice queen, also a representative of the kind of televangelistic fundamentalism that had just recently crept into public awareness) attacked gayness & gay people.  (In terms of popular culture, 'Three's Company' was a success on TV, wit hits generally positive portrayal of a gay man.)  At about the same time, these same RR/RW voices also condemn abortion as the anti-abortion movement began to organize itself.  (And Jim Bopp, my then-boss' brother-in-law, began his work on 'freedom of religious expression' & 'right to free (religious/political) speech.)

      Bopp (who was behind the Citizens' United case) fought for the RR/RW politicized fundamentalists' free speech so that the now forty-year-old wedge issues of 'prolife' and 'antigay' could be developed by the Republicans as a major component of their party's political identity.

      There are many people on this site who, for their entire lives, have only encountered 'Christianity' as the 'Politicized Fundamentalism' that began in the mid-70s.  And yes, that 'PF' social/political entity cherry-picks Old Testament verses to promulgate hate, fear, and repression, then calls their hate-based political action 'God's Will' or 'what it means to be a Christian'.

      And (imo) it is the visceral response of hate for this carefully shaped message (and those who represent it) that is often referred to by some on this site as the 'Old Testament' or 'Biblical' basis for the Far Right's wedge-issue ideological substructure.

      So, imo, when people here express hate for the 'Old Testament', that's what they're referring to.

      Sorry, Tarheel, I seem to have responded to the diarist after I began by responding to you.  I hope you don't mind.  Oh, and btw, your last paragraph is unclear to me -- I get a sense of the idea your'e presenting there, but could you develop it a little for me?  Thanks.

      •  It's called (2+ / 0-)
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        the "religious left" and it existed in this country during the 1960s.  But church politics sorta shut it down in the 1980s.

        Instead of opposing the backlash, as the diarist does here, there needs to be more vocal opposition to the political reductionism of religion.

        50 states, 210 media market, 435 Congressional Districts, 3080 counties, 192,480 precincts

        by TarheelDem on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 06:39:06 PM PST

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