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  •  But who? (1+ / 0-)
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    If they're running with a Mugabe-style narrative (i.e., the white colonial powers are trying to force child molesters on us), well, that seems especially tricky to get around.

    Paranoia can't be reasoned with by the presumed persecutors.

    Is Mandela still functioning as a public figure? (He is getting pretty old).

    Ok, so I read the polls.

    by andgarden on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 03:55:29 PM PST

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    •  They'd change their tune pretty quick (5+ / 0-)

      in the face of economic sanctions, I'd bet.

      Supporter: "Senator, you have the vote of every thinking person!" Adlai Stevenson: "That's not enough, madam, we need a majority!"

      by Scott Wooledge on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 03:56:16 PM PST

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      •  Then economic sanctions it should be. (4+ / 0-)

        202-224-3121 to Congress in D.C. USE it! You can tell how big a person is by what it takes to discourage them. "We're not perfect, but they're nuts."--Barney Frank 01/02/2012

        by cany on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 04:00:11 PM PST

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        •  It's what we did with South Africa (4+ / 0-)
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          toward ending apartheid. As long as we are cautious and don't hurt civilians in the process, economic sanctions are very effective. However, South Africa may have had more economic standing, or been very different, than in the Congo because of a stratified group of people where one clearly gained and one clearly lost with sanctions. In this case, I support sanctions, but I do so with a serious analysis called for first of how this would impact the already impoverished folks of Uganda, I suppose. Not having that information is heartbreaking. They have such a hard time there, with disease, famine, and a crazy Government backed by the U.S. Rightwing nutters.

          •  Well, a good way to do it (3+ / 0-)
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            is to bypass direct aid to gov't, and re-focus funneling the same aid dollars to humanitarian NGOs.

            Services can continue and the gov't will seriously miss getting their slice of the pie.

            Supporter: "Senator, you have the vote of every thinking person!" Adlai Stevenson: "That's not enough, madam, we need a majority!"

            by Scott Wooledge on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 04:45:02 PM PST

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      •  You'd hope so (0+ / 0-)

        But assuming this is something of a Democracy, is anyone going to convince the voters to reduce the penalties for something they think is intrinsically evil with cash?

        I don't think public pressure is necessarily going to help here. Back room arm twisting is probably the best bet.

        Ok, so I read the polls.

        by andgarden on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 04:01:14 PM PST

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        •  Voters don't reduce the penalties (1+ / 0-)
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          legislators do. And if they're anything like American legislators they do as the people holding the purse strings tell them to.

          Then they figure out how to explain it to voters.

          The President could veto, and tell voters, "The international community was going to wreck us."

          Supporter: "Senator, you have the vote of every thinking person!" Adlai Stevenson: "That's not enough, madam, we need a majority!"

          by Scott Wooledge on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 04:04:59 PM PST

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          •  It sounds to me like that's a distinction (0+ / 0-)

            without much of a difference here.

            Listen, I'm all for the back room deal, but think about how your proposed statement from the President sounds. Put the shoe on the other foot: would you accept that explanation, or would you be ready to throw the bums out?

            I don't understand Uganda's political culture at all, but none of this sounds good to me.

            Ok, so I read the polls.

            by andgarden on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 04:07:15 PM PST

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            •  Well, dear... (2+ / 0-)
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              I'm wide open to your proposed solutions. So far, all I'm hearing from you is doubts and resignation.

              Supporter: "Senator, you have the vote of every thinking person!" Adlai Stevenson: "That's not enough, madam, we need a majority!"

              by Scott Wooledge on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 04:42:32 PM PST

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