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  •  Oh, it's coming. (3+ / 0-)
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    whizdom, Cliss, sacrelicious

    Israel is preparing to give Hamas the ultimatum and force them to use their tunnels to pipe in Egyptian electricity and telecom.

    Once that happens, Gaza will be Egyptian.

    •  An annexation would not be bad (2+ / 0-)
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      Greek Tragedy, Mr Robert

      The border would disappear, Gazans would finally be able to travel freely, and whoever is in power in Egypt would be on the hook to stop the rockets.

      •  Actually, it would be pretty bad for Gazans. (0+ / 0-)

        Any economic ties to Israel would be better than economic integration with the Egyptian basket case. But they gave up that option with their rockets.

      •  I've been wondering about this possibility (1+ / 0-)
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        ...but I have no idea how Gazans would feel about it.  Do you know?  When I look at the map I just can't see how Gaza and the West Bank could be a single country.  It's just not feasible.  Maybe Gaza should just be its own nation?  Ridiculous and untenable situation.  :(

        "You must be the change you wish to see in the world." -Gandhi

        by Triscula on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 02:58:53 PM PST

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        •  The one-state/binational solution? (0+ / 0-)

          No great love for Wikipedia, but it has a decent analysis here:

          http://en.wikipedia.org/...

          My read is that Palestinians support it when exasperated with a lack of progress toward a two-state solution, although they are, indeed, seeking a two-state solution again formally through the U.N. next week after this recent conflict. Here, I wouldn't confuse "Hamas" with the Palestinian people since their views can be divided, although right now, there is solidified support for Hamas compared with a week and a half ago:

          Hamas has rejected a two state solution.[57] The Hamas charter states "The Islamic Resistance Movement believes that the land of Palestine is an Islamic Waqf consecrated for future Moslem generations until Judgement Day. It, or any part of it, should not be squandered: it, or any part of it, should not be given up. "[58] Islamic Jihad also rejects a two state solution. An Islamic Jihad leader Khalid al-Batsh stated that "The idea cannot be accepted and we believe that the entire Palestine is Arab and Islamic land and belongs to the Palestinian nation."[59]

          A multi-option poll by Near East Consulting (NEC) in November 2007 found the bi-national state to be less popular than either "two states for two people" or "a Palestinian state on all historic Palestine" with only 13.4% of respondents supporting a binational solution.[60] However, in February 2007, NEC found that around 70% of Palestinian respondents backed the idea when given a straight choice of either supporting or opposing "a one-state solution in historic Palestine where Muslims, Christians and Jews have equal rights and responsibilities".[61] In March 2010, a survey by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research and the Harry S. Truman Research Institute for the Advancement of Peace at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem found that Palestinian support had risen to 29 percent.[62] In April 2010, a poll by the Jerusalem Media and Communication Centre also found that Palestinian support for a "bi-national" solution had jumped from 20.6 percent in June 2009 to 33.8 percent.[63] If this support for a bi-national state is combined with the finding that 9.8 percent of Palestinian respondents favour a "Palestinian state" in "all of historic Palestine", this poll suggested about equal Palestinian support for a two-state and one-state solution in mid-2010.[62][63] In November 2009, Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat proposed the adoption of the one-state solution if Israel didn't halt settlement construction:

              "[it is time to] (sic) refocus their attention on the one-state solution where Muslims, Christians and Jews can live as equals... It is very serious. This is the moment of truth for us."[64]

          In 2011, a poll by Stanley Greenberg and the Palestinian Center for Public Opinion and sponsored by the Israel Project revealed that 61% of Palestinians reject a two state solution, while 34% said they accepted it.[65] 66% said the Palestinians’ real goal should be to start with a two-state solution but then move to it all being one Palestinian state.

          So this question is complex and, as you can see, changes depending on what else is going on at the time, and also, some favor it as incremental progress and others favor it outright. I would wager that most just want "a solution" right now.
        •  Israel is so small that a car/rail tunnel (0+ / 0-)

          connecting Gaza to the West Bank is totally feasible.  Extraordinarily expensive, but feasible.  The Seikan railway tunnel, under the Tsugaru Strait between Honshu and Hokkaido, is about 33 miles, whereas the shortest distance a Palestinian tunnel would have to bridge would be about 20 miles; it'd be longer than the longest road tunnel (15 miles, in Norway) but would be well under that 33 miles mark.  If, after extensive serious negotiations an end was in sight but open vehicular access between the two sides was a final sticking point, I suspect that international aid could be found to engage in such an undertaking.

          "The first drawback of anger is that it destroys your inner peace; the second is that it distorts your view of reality. If you come to understand that anger is really unhelpful, you can begin to distance yourself from anger." - The Dalai Lama

          by auron renouille on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 04:09:09 PM PST

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      •  Who gives a shit whether Palestinians (0+ / 0-)

        believe themselves to be part of Egypt - what matters here is what Charliehall2 thinks is best for them.

        It's not like they're people, with a right of self-determination or anything like that.

        "the Agency continues to verify the non-diversion of declared material at these facilities and LOFs."

        by JesseCW on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 01:13:38 AM PST

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