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  •  But violence is sometimes necessary (1+ / 0-)
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    Once someone has installed upon himself supreme powers and become in effect a dictator, what democratic solution is there?  Why would the dictator listen unless he is forced to listen?

    •  Well, direct action ≠ violence (2+ / 0-)
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      (see Gandhi, Mohandas and King, Martin Luther). But yeah, clearly the democratic system itself is breaking down.

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      by Code Monkey on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 02:23:53 PM PST

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      •  Also see the White Rose or what's left (0+ / 0-)

        of their ashes.  Unfortunately nonviolence only works when your opponent has at least some sense of decency which was the case with the British (otherwise Ghandi wouldn't have lived long enough to even see the inside of a jail cell).

        You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

        by Throw The Bums Out on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 02:46:51 PM PST

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        •  Yeah. 16 million Indians starved for profit. (0+ / 0-)

          "British sense of decency".

          The British left not because anyone appealed the imaginary conscience of John Bull, but because the people of India rendered occupation unprofitable.

          Are you seriously trying to argue that the dozen people truly active in the White Rose could have toppled the Nazi regime if only they'd embraced violence?

          "the Agency continues to verify the non-diversion of declared material at these facilities and LOFs."

          by JesseCW on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 01:24:38 AM PST

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          •  So why didn't they just kill off Ghandi and all (0+ / 0-)

            his followers?  They had the means to do so including chemical weapons.

            You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

            by Throw The Bums Out on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 04:43:21 AM PST

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            •  They killed a lot of his followers, and they (1+ / 0-)
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              killed a lot of non-violent Muslim Red Shirts, too.

              But gassing people to death doesn't make them willing consumers of your manufactured goods.  Mercantilism isn't profitable if you entirely depopulate the foreign nations you're trying to exploit.

              "the Agency continues to verify the non-diversion of declared material at these facilities and LOFs."

              by JesseCW on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 03:58:42 PM PST

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        •  You are mistaken (1+ / 0-)
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          The British were NOT "decent" in India - their record of massacres and summary executions is as long as your arm.  And the Nazis in fact were surprisingly susceptible to nonviolent protest.  

          The "it only works with nice guys (like us white guys)" meme is toxic and demonstrably untrue.  
          For thorough and inspiring documenation, see Is There No Other Way? http://www.amazon.com/...

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