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    weck, navajo, Odysseus, Rolfyboy6, Kitsap River

    The company at pine Ridge, which is not NDN-owned, will not handle donations for buying propane the way Sherry at Rosebud will.  They are now, in fact, t4elling people to give the money to a white, European-owned trading post for alleged distribution to "people who need it."  We have no way of knowing, much less verifying, what and who gets what and how much.  And money should not be flowing through multiple non-NDN entities before it trickles down to the people who actually need it.

    Beyond that, we have been doing this for four winters now.  We do actually know a bit about what we're doing.  And we also know the risks inherent in trying to go through political entities such as tribal councils.  It would be nice if, once in a while, people would assume that we NDNs have investigated thoroughly, and perhaps do know more about the internal situations involved, and that we have indeed made the choice to support that which actually accomplishes most for the people who need it most.  With St. Francis at Rosebud, 100% of the donation goes to buy heat for people who might otherwise freeze to death - and Rosebud's poverty stats are pretty much the same as Pine Ridge's.  So I fail to understand why it's not acceptable to help NDNs at Rosebud as opposed to Pine Ridge, when we actually have a solution in place that

    saves actual lives.

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    by Aji on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 05:18:00 PM PST

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    •  Is it the demo? (4+ / 0-)
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      Maybe the fact that the poorest county in the US is in the Pine Ridge Rez catches some peoples' hearts. I'll help how I can, financially, with the Rosebud option, but I'm sure angling to see if locals around Pine Ridge are in a position to put together a similar option for them as St. Francis provides for Rosebud residents.

      So, yes, I accept that the Rosebud option saves lives.

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      by paz3 on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 06:32:38 PM PST

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      •  Do you mean can they fund/capitalize (2+ / 0-)
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        a private company?   Let's see...., how much do propane trucks, labor cost, certification, insurance, storage tanks, land costs,  business costs and local fees, etc. require for capitalization?  And then there's management, where you have to find the right people to run the outfit and to do the work, get the franchise for propane from the distributor and generally make contacts.  The miracle is that St. Francis exists at all in the environment of a high plains res.

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        by Rolfyboy6 on Sat Nov 24, 2012 at 09:04:48 PM PST

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    •  I don't believe anyone here has stated... (0+ / 0-)

      that help given to Rosebud is inappropriate. Very much the opposite.

      The fact that it is a NDN owned business providing the service is a HUGE plus.

      But no, I don't assume that simply because you are NDN that you are above being asked questions or that improvements in communication can't be made.

      If the decision has been made to take Pine Ridge out of the picture this year then simply state it rather than give vague messages about "problems". You are surrounded by problem solving individuals here at DKos and many will naturally look for solutions.

      My personal situation is such that I could post this appeal on my Facebook page and know that many of my GOP friends would be interested in helping but they would ask the same questions that I many heaters are needed this year, how many truckloads of gas, etc.? How much has been donated to date? How many families served?

      A rule of fundraising (which I do a lot of) is goals help, they don't have to be set in bedrock, but they give people an idea of scope and a sense of progress.

      Wonders are many, but none so wonderful as man.

      by Morgan Sandlin on Sun Nov 25, 2012 at 09:12:48 AM PST

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