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  •  Why did they die? (11+ / 0-)

    I suspect reactionaries are more willing to employ violence against those they disagree with.

    Unfortunately, martyrs are in ample supply in history:

    I'd add RFK, Ghandi, Rabin, and Christ to the list.  I'd also add Medgar Evers, Viola Liuzzo, Vernon Dahmer, Goodwin, Chaney, and Schwerner.  Probably several others people can add.

    •  Yes. (7+ / 0-)

      Even now the violence primarily comes from the right.

      The GOP: "You can always go to the Emergency Room."

      by Upper West on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 01:13:37 PM PST

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    •  Soviet Union (7+ / 0-)

      There were several assassinations of activists and journalists by the KGB.  I know that the USSR was nominally "communist," but tactically, they were right-wing, wanting to oppress and repress.

      •  Don't get confused by your own biases... (0+ / 0-)

        or you turn into Jonah Goldberg.

        Left-wing totalitarianism is clearly real, and is no less left-wing for being totalitarian.

        Communism (Marxism, Leninism, "the dictatorship of the proletariat", whatever) is unabiguously a product of the Left, and is as intrinsically totalitarian as Fascism or National Socialism, which were products of the Right.

        We get Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot... the Righties get Mussolini, Hitler, Franco... we all need to own the horrifying end-products of our ideologies, lest we allow those ideologies to become pathologies once again, to the deaths of millions.

        For the most part, the intellectual Left has abandoned it's long romance with Marxism. This is an unequivocally good thing.

        --Shannon

        "It is better to die on your feet than to live on your knees." -- Emiliano Zapata Salazar
        "Dissent is patriotic. Blind obedience is treason." --me

        by Leftie Gunner on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 08:39:12 PM PST

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        •  Really though (0+ / 0-)

          All those Communist thugs you mentioned.  None lived the life of austerity, sacrifice, and commonality they preached to their citizens.  They lived in luxury and were hardly role models for the cause.  All of those regimes were hardly socialist in the mold of Marx's writings.  They were authoritarian.  Yes, the ideology gave them the path to rise to power but let's not blame Marxism.  Let's blame greedy and violent people that co-opt sound philosophy.  There is not a lick of difference between Stalin and Moussolini, Hitler and Pol Pot.  

          "A celibate clergy is an especially good idea, because it tends to suppress any hereditary propensity toward fanaticism." -- Carl Sagan

          by artmartin on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 08:05:07 AM PST

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    •  Well on the other side (1+ / 0-)
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      Upper West

      George Wallace got shot, though he survived semi-paralyzed.

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