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  •  As a cousin of Lincoln I am pretty much (4+ / 0-)

    obligated to rec this. I haven't seen the movie yet, but now I really want to. I might have to wait for the DVD release, I don't think I can afford to go to the theater right now.

    I am very proud of Lincoln, I am a cousin of his on my mother's side, and more directly related to his grandfather (who shared his name), so from a young age I was given lots of books about Lincoln to read. And we talked about him all the time. Our family is very proud of our relation, as it has been passed down by word of mouth for generations. Recently, we did the legwork to prove it though (not officially, just find all the names, and connect them all the way back), so there would be no doubt.

    I think what makes me sad is what has become of the Party of Lincoln, it is not a party that I believe he would be proud of, or have anything to do with, if he were alive today. I believe that if he were alive now, Lincoln would either be a Democrat, or form another new party, but he would not be with the GOP. I shake my head sadly whenever a Republican proudly claims that they are part of the party of Lincoln, they don't understand what he was about, they don't get it at all. Their Republican party does not remotely resemble his Republican party. It is very sad.

    As long as we have love, we will always triumph over hate, for love is the most powerful force in the universe. There is nothing greater.

    by Crazy Moderate on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 11:00:23 PM PST

    •  I know how you feel. I couldn't help but be (3+ / 0-)
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      a Lincoln Republican in the 1860s. He was just right on all the big issues.

      It was strange to listen to all the blatant racism from Congressional Democrats in this movie, and they weren't even Southern Democrats. It only goes to show how far the two parties have drifted in the last 150 years.

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      by Kimball Cross on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 06:24:26 AM PST

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      I'd love to see your family tree.  I think Tad (the child in the film) died at 18, but Robert lived a productive life.  Do  you  come from his line?

      The GOP: "You can always go to the Emergency Room."

      by Upper West on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 08:24:22 AM PST

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      •  The connection is from Lincoln's aunt, making me (0+ / 0-)

        a cousin of Abraham Lincoln (the president), and a direct descendant of Abe's grandfather, who happens to have the same name.

        Basically, on my mother's side, my family line goes straight down from Abraham Lincoln's aunt (his father Thomas Lincoln's sister).

        I sent you a kosmail with the family tree so you can see it, the formatting isn't great, but I can send you the excel file if you are interested.

        As long as we have love, we will always triumph over hate, for love is the most powerful force in the universe. There is nothing greater.

        by Crazy Moderate on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 08:48:56 AM PST

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      •  There are no CONFIRMED direct descendents of (0+ / 0-)

        Lincoln left.  Robert's only son, named Abraham, died at 16.  The President's last undisputed descendent was a great-grandson Robert Todd Lincoln Beckwith who died in 1985.

        I say, "confirmed" because his soon-to-be-ex wife had a son in 1968, even though Beckwith had had a vasectomy years earlier.

        Beckwith, understandably, denied paternity.  The court ordered a blood test, which the wife never complied with, and the court eventually ruled in Beckwith's favor.  Of course it IS possible, albeit rare, to still conceive after a vasectomy.  The wife gave her son the name Timothy Lincoln Beckwith, and he apparently later settled out any claim to the Lincoln family

        This means we'll probably never know for sure, at this point, but it would be nice to know that Lincoln's direct family line hasn't completely gone extinct, like Shakespeare and Washington's did.  Not that I expect anymore great statesmen from that family (FDR's sons are proof enough that greatness isn't necessarily inherited), but there's just something appealing about knowing a piece of that legacy might still live today

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