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  •  Clinton's Proclamation May As Well Have Been (5+ / 0-)

    "the era of the Democratic Party (the one that cares about Labor and the poor) is over".

    "We choose America.  We choose civilization...."

    Huh? WHO are "we", I wonder?

    You appear to be forgetting congress is not listening to we the people. I'm not sure why this is not clear to you?

    Prime example is years ago polling indicated most Americans wanted our military OUT of Iraq. This was ignored by congress, and the "pullout" just recently accomplished.

    while your take here appears compelling-- the fact is Congress is not going to do much about the blatant tax evasion committed (legally) by numerous wealthy people and by profitable corporations like GE, who paid ZERO taxes in 2010.

    "A civilization which does not provide young people with a way to earn a living is pretty poor". Eleanor Roosevelt

    by Superpole on Sun Nov 25, 2012 at 06:50:04 AM PST

    •  With this election, many had the blinders removed (12+ / 0-)

      at least for a time.

      Combined with recent events such as Occupy, I believe that the cultural shifts are starting in a better direction.  This could mark the beginning of a greater political push on behalf of a more frustrated and focused electorate which no longer worships Reagan's "greed is good, at any cost" mantra quite so blithely.

      Time will tell, but nothing here has changed on a dime, no.  The far-right libertarians/authoritarians have pushed us here over a number of decades, so expect at least as many to continue the long slog back towards more sustainable economic, social (and MAYBE environmental) values.

      "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

      by wader on Sun Nov 25, 2012 at 07:30:43 AM PST

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      •  Great Take, However (4+ / 0-)

        I don't believe the cultural/economic/political shift needed matches up in any way with the current political paradigm; the two corporate party system.

        the blinders are going to have to completely come off-- and soon; because we're out of time.

        the notion we have twenty-five years or even five years to resolve our several critical mass problems is naive.

        "A civilization which does not provide young people with a way to earn a living is pretty poor". Eleanor Roosevelt

        by Superpole on Sun Nov 25, 2012 at 07:35:05 AM PST

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        •  "The two corporate party system." (1+ / 0-)
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          OMG, you're really going to try to sell Naderism here?

          "They fear this man. They know he will see farther than they, and he will bind them with ancient logics." -The stoner guy in The Cabin in the Woods

          by Troubadour on Sun Nov 25, 2012 at 07:37:31 AM PST

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          •  No, Actually I Don't Have Time/Energy (5+ / 0-)

            to waste on sophomoric, partisan Kool-Aid drinkers.

            The empirical evidence regarding both parties being corporate arse-kissers is all around us-- start with public approval of rating of congress recently being what? 12 percent?

            and yes, fantasy landers, that includes "democrats".

            then we could go on to facts like the recent massive increase in child poverty in our nation-- and how "democrats" in congress don't talk about this. and I'm fairly sure this pathetic fact didn't come up in the recent "debates". I think we know why that is.

            "A civilization which does not provide young people with a way to earn a living is pretty poor". Eleanor Roosevelt

            by Superpole on Sun Nov 25, 2012 at 07:43:57 AM PST

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        •  I'd like less incrementalism, too (3+ / 0-)
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          But, have learned that very few things anyone actually sees a need for will change that quickly.  Even when our lives are at stake.

          I'm wondering if extreme weather events will lead to an undeniable catastrophe on multiple levels - including affects upon key D.C. legislators to create a "Perfect Storm" for governmental realignment into a war-time, economic and social stance for our country and across the pond.  Essentially, let reality push us into focus on physical events that matter and ignore the virtual money-makers for a massive imperative related to survival at a level of standards we refuse to give up on.  Fear is a great motivator, as we've seen with the far-right.

          Maybe I'm thinking of a "Watchmen" situation, but frankly, I don't see reason coming back to us very quickly if we're truly on the path - there's far too much inertia to counter.  We work the black seam together.

          "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

          by wader on Sun Nov 25, 2012 at 07:43:33 AM PST

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    •  You're welcome to exclude yourself from "we" (6+ / 0-)

      but then I don't know what you're doing here.

      You appear to be forgetting congress is not listening to we the people.
      Oh, then I guess we're doomed.  Play some emo music while I cry in my soup.
      Prime example is years ago polling indicated most Americans wanted our military OUT of Iraq. This was ignored by congress, and the "pullout" just recently accomplished.
      A superpower state moves slower than public opinion.  Shocker.  
      while your take here appears compelling-- the fact is Congress is not going to do much about the blatant tax evasion committed (legally) by numerous wealthy people and by profitable corporations like GE, who paid ZERO taxes in 2010.
      Not this Congress.  And that's going to keep costing them.

      "They fear this man. They know he will see farther than they, and he will bind them with ancient logics." -The stoner guy in The Cabin in the Woods

      by Troubadour on Sun Nov 25, 2012 at 07:32:35 AM PST

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      •  I See, I Figured You're One (1+ / 0-)
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        of the fantasy landers who actually think time is on our side-- that we have fifty years to resolve the numerous rather large problems we face-- LOL, that's what the British Empire thought as well- just how well did that work out for them??

        Hm?

        "A civilization which does not provide young people with a way to earn a living is pretty poor". Eleanor Roosevelt

        by Superpole on Sun Nov 25, 2012 at 07:38:21 AM PST

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        •  The British Empire...uh huh... (6+ / 0-)

          You mean that empire born an island the size of Wyoming that had, for a time, been completely dependent on military control of the natural resources of a country on the other side of the world?  Yeah, that's a great analogy for a continental superpower with the 3rd largest population, 4th largest land area, vast diversity of resources and climates, and coastlines on three oceans.  I'm sure we'll become irrelevant any day now.

          Of course there is a "fierce urgency of now," but if you think there's some point where we should just give up, then I ask again - what the hell are you trying to accomplish other than come up with excuses for failure?

          "They fear this man. They know he will see farther than they, and he will bind them with ancient logics." -The stoner guy in The Cabin in the Woods

          by Troubadour on Sun Nov 25, 2012 at 07:50:56 AM PST

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    •  They didn't between 1960 and 1981 either. (1+ / 0-)
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