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  •  Who would start such a company? (3+ / 0-)

    It is a LOT of work to start a company.   I am talking about 80 hour weeks, sometimes for years.    Anybody who goes through this and produces something of value to society deserves to get wealthy, in the old fashioned view of that term.  

    When I was growing up, we lived in a $10,000 house.   The wealthy people in town live in $100,000 houses.   There may have been a few $250,000 homes.    Nobody had  million dollar houses, and the wealthy worked just as hard to make 10 times more than average as they would have to make 10000 times more.

    Being angry at the concentration of wealth is valid, but condemning the system that created that wealth is foolish.   If you start a collective or a coop that wants to spread wealth equally, you will end up with lots of meetings and arguments about fairness, and creative hard workers will leave for other opportunities.

    Religion gives men the strength to do what should not be done.

    by bobtmn on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 07:24:13 AM PST

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    •  Really? (0+ / 0-)

      Yet collectives/ coops do exist in this country and are excellent models for democratic work places.  Approximately 50 percent of Argentina's business is coops.  Yet you think they are undesirable?  I don't argue that all business should be cooperative but it should be a larger component of our work force.  Coops can to a large extent make up for the loss of union based jobs.

      "The real wealth of a nation consists of the contributions of its people and nature." -- Rianne Eisler

      by noofsh on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 08:49:38 AM PST

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      •  It's not the idea of a coop that's (3+ / 0-)
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        unworkable, it's the implementation of the purest forms.
        The most idealist of them do tend to fail, in part because they substitute the unfairness of excessively unfair concentration of wealth with excessively unfair distribution of wealth. Accommodations for differing abilities, duties and efforts have to be accounted for, as does the value of people's time and money, which unfettered, pure adherence to consensus tends to de-value. I believe there are intentional communities and ecovillages that are getting close to the right middle ground and we should take our models from them.

        All you have to do is think about what it is takes for someone to put a significant amount of their money into something. It begins with a belief that it will not be squandered. The same goes for one' time. Initially, people are willing to be generous and have faith that it will come to meaningful, observable, demonstrable good. Easier said than done, especially if the community has significant numbers who do not value money or time...

        The Class, Terror and Climate Wars are indivisible and the short-term outcome will affect the planet for centuries. -WiA "When you triangulate everything, you can't even roll downhill..." - PhilJD

        by Words In Action on Sun Dec 16, 2012 at 09:15:54 AM PST

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