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  •  Of course you're not missing anything (0+ / 0-)

    I just got done posting in a diary responding to some severely pro-gun availability people.  They were arguing (or implicitly suggesting) that no, we can't conclude more guns = more deaths, because there could be something somehow special about the US that invalidates that equation. Even though we have a shitload of guns and a lot more gun violence compared to other Western countries that just happen also to have way fewer guns.  Even though the implication of the "Americans are somehow special" argument, with regard to guns, implies that if we cut down on guns, the violence would presumably remain the same.  Like, more drive by punchings.

    This is horseshit, the same kind of bullshit, in-denial thinking that we see from pseudoscientific climate-change deniers and creation "scientists".

    And it's the same kind of thinking that informs the fallacious arguments against your final paragraphs.  Suggest not taking it seriously other than a case study in denial, obtuseness, etc.

    "Happiness is the only good. The place to be happy is here. The time to be happy is now. The way to be happy is to make others so." - Robert Ingersoll

    by dackmont on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 03:43:34 AM PST

    •  I agree. (1+ / 0-)
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      There was a shootout one block from my apartment two nights ago, and all I could think about was: why can't we ban guns?  If criminals and drug dealers had to rely on old-school weapons, maybe they wouldn't be so brazen and terrorize communities as they do now.  I think I'd feel more "free" in that case than having some 2nd Amendment so a bunch of people can go hunting.

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      by therehastobeaway on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 05:25:29 AM PST

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      •  It's the bullets that we need to control (1+ / 0-)
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        You can have all the guns you want, but you have to sign for the bullets.

        If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

        by CwV on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 07:37:18 AM PST

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        •  Second Amendment used to be considered (0+ / 0-)

          to be just about regulated militias, not anyone who wants to own a gun.  The NRA knew this and the courts knew this.  In '08 and '10, SCOTUS decided by the usual 5-4 margin of radical rightwing activists that the 2ns Amendment conferred a general right to own guns.  That made the right to own a handgun.  So this is just a vote away from being reversed to a more sane position, just like so many of those other 5-4's.  The 2nd doesn't have to go, just be re-evaluated in the light that it was seen for many years before these activist decisions.

          "Happiness is the only good. The place to be happy is here. The time to be happy is now. The way to be happy is to make others so." - Robert Ingersoll

          by dackmont on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 08:49:21 AM PST

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          •  Stare decisis. (0+ / 0-)

            Once the Supremes have ruled, it's very hard to get subsequent Justices to overrule.

            If I ran this circus, things would be DIFFERENT!

            by CwV on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 09:51:51 AM PST

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            •  Tell that to the right-wing activist Justices (0+ / 0-)

              It's not that hard at all.  It's purely about respect for precedence, and some judges don't have much of that at all.  Look at Scalia and others who would be stoked to overturn Roe.  So, it happens.  Hopefully wisely and incrementally.

              Really, if the recent, narrow decisions finding a general 2nd are overturned, I hope the pro-gun folks don't go all Randall Terry and freak out.  Guns aren't the be-all, end-all, without which we're all screwed and the Constitution is just a piece of paper.  As with homicide statistics, look to other First-World democracies for comparison.  They get by OK.  We're not that different.

              And the 2nd isn't self-evident in its meaning.  It has to be interpreted in good faith (knowing reasonable people disagree), ideally with some kind of compromise emanating from the Court, and, I gotta say, pragmatically.  Much like Roe.

              "Happiness is the only good. The place to be happy is here. The time to be happy is now. The way to be happy is to make others so." - Robert Ingersoll

              by dackmont on Tue Nov 27, 2012 at 03:16:01 AM PST

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