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  •  I detest the phrase, "lower class" because it (14+ / 0-)

    smacks of value judgment. The "lower class" are working class. And even though the "middle class" earns higher wages, they're still working class. Being all wage earners,
    they should be encouraged to all see themselves in the same boat. After all, they're both exploited by the owning class no matter what the salary.

    "There's a lot to be said for making people laugh. Did you know that that's all some people have? It isn't much, but it's better than nothing in this cockeyed caravan." --Joel McCrea as "Sully," in "Sullivan's Travels."

    by Wildthumb on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 08:50:29 PM PST

    •  The most useful distinction, imho, is Capitalist.. (4+ / 0-)

      Class and Working Class. Either you work for a living or your money works for your living. The trinkets and comforts can get signficantly nicer depending on the work you do for that living, but your interests, in a broader sense, depend on whether you're being paid to work or are paying others to do the work.

      "The Democratic Party is not our friend: it is the only party we can negotiate with."

      by 2020adam on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 08:59:22 PM PST

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      •  Still too broad. (0+ / 0-)

        There are capitalists and there are capitalists.

        My neighbor has a heating and air business with 2 employees.  He is both a capitalist and a worker ( he employs himself).  He doesn't have much in common with the Mitt Romneys of this world.

        LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

        by dinotrac on Tue Nov 27, 2012 at 12:32:49 AM PST

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        •  Oh, sure. There are lots of exceptions. (1+ / 0-)
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          And look at millionaire basketball players. What class are they in? Technically, they're still wage earners, but they're also capitalists, with endorsements, etc.

          "There's a lot to be said for making people laugh. Did you know that that's all some people have? It isn't much, but it's better than nothing in this cockeyed caravan." --Joel McCrea as "Sully," in "Sullivan's Travels."

          by Wildthumb on Tue Nov 27, 2012 at 09:17:02 AM PST

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    •  Likewise, "upper class" (5+ / 0-)

      as if their money makes them above everyone else.

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      Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us.
      ~ Jerry Garcia

      by DeadHead on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 09:02:35 PM PST

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    •  Trying to persuade most middle class people... (6+ / 0-)

      ...I have known that they are working class is a thankless task, though I have tried diligently for decades.

      Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

      by Meteor Blades on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 11:41:27 PM PST

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      •  This is a BIG problem. And working class people (0+ / 0-)

        who are not really "middle class" think that they're middle class.

        Too bad we couldn't have massive, national workshops on classism.

        "There's a lot to be said for making people laugh. Did you know that that's all some people have? It isn't much, but it's better than nothing in this cockeyed caravan." --Joel McCrea as "Sully," in "Sullivan's Travels."

        by Wildthumb on Tue Nov 27, 2012 at 09:14:48 AM PST

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