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  •  it may have been Krugman who recently pointed (1+ / 0-)
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    out that in the Good Old Days, employers hired new grads and then trained them to do the jobs the employers needed done.  However, Reagan decided that art and music and such was for eggheads and grads should emerge from schools fully trained, effectively transferring the cost of training new workers from the private sector to the public sector, increasing public spending.

    More recently, institutions have discovered that education is a cash cow, unaffected by usual market forces, so they can charge what the market will bear. At the same time, the public sector discovered it could no longer bear the cost of providing trained workers to the private sector so the solution is to shift the cost once again, this time to the student himself.  In addition, laws were changed to make it impossible for the student to discharge the debt.

    This is the ideal progression in the eyes of a conservative where workers have to pay for their own training while employers demand fully trained workers whom they can employ at the lowest minimum wage possible.

    The next target for these "job creators"?  Killing the minimum wage.  

    •  on the other hand, massive online courses ... (0+ / 0-)

      (a.k.a. MOOCs) are just beginning to provide free access to high-quality online education.  Have a look at coursera.org, saylor.org, edx.org, udacity.com, and many others.

      The relative importance of the solitary and the social aspects of learning vary by discipline and by course.  MOOCs are good at the solitary parts;  it's still TBD if they can be useful for the social parts.

      Republicans whine and Republicans bitch: "Our rich are too poor, and our poor are too rich!" -- Ferguson Foont

      by this just in on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 10:07:10 PM PST

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      •  however, online universities have an (0+ / 0-)

        atrocious track record with only 18% of admissions graduating.  Add to this a 99% admission rate and you have what used to be called a scam.  Additionally, they frequently charge quite a bit more per semester hour than community colleges and local universities do.  (In my state, residents over 60 can take one free university course per semester)

        •  I encourage you to distinguish ... (0+ / 0-)

          between "online universities" and the sites I listed above, each of which offers FREE online courses.  

          I'm not just bloviating -- I've taken a deep dive into Coursera courses:  finished one, midstream in three others, dropped a couple.  All FREE.  And they're sponsored by Stanford, Duke, Rice, and numerous universities of similar quality worldwide.

          (Some of these will likely add charges at some point for certifications, etc., but I expect all will maintain a large component of free coursework.)

          Please don't confuse various of the bad for-profit outfits with the free MOOCs.

          Republicans whine and Republicans bitch: "Our rich are too poor, and our poor are too rich!" -- Ferguson Foont

          by this just in on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 10:19:10 PM PST

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