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  •  passing restrictive voter laws isnt illegal (5+ / 0-)

    if Floridians were really upset about it, they'd vote out the assholes who did it... instead they just re-elected most of them.

    Its not like this was done in some back-room deal and carried out in the dead of night.  Most of these GOP hacks openly campaigned on the fact that if they got into office they would fight for strict Voter ID laws, and in-person voting only, and other equally suppressive shit.  ... and THEY WON.

    Now if you find some of the stuff we saw about throwing out competed registration forms or lying to people about needing to pay some imaginary fee in order to register or something.. then THAT is criminal, and the actual people that DID IT should be charged.

    But a legislator that talks about this on the campaign and in town halls and then gets elected and goes to Tallahassee and writes bills to restrict voting hours and those bills get passed by a majority and signed by the Governor and then enacted by the Secretary of State.....  

    .....what exactly are you prosecuting these people for?  

    We don't need a district attorney....  ...we need a good Democratic challenger next election cycle.

    Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

    by Wisper on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 11:14:53 AM PST

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    •  It is illegal if it runs counter to the (2+ / 0-)
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      various Voting Rights acts forced on certain bastions of racism to curtail these bastions' predilection toward repressing and oppressing minority voters, which is quite likely (almost a certainty) in Florida.

      That a majority of people support something does not imply that something is either: a) legal or b) good for everybody (including themselves).

      •  VRA has limits (1+ / 0-)
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        and the action triggered is that it authorizes the DOJ to directly challenge the laws in federal court.  A judge would still have to rule and the MOST that can happen is the law can be nullified.

        It is not possible to criminally charge ANYONE for executing the duties and authority of their office.  Ever.  At any level.

        You can charge an office-holder for personal crimes (like accepting bribes, obstructing justice, embezzling campaign money, etc) but passing bad laws is not ever considered criminal.

        The laws can and should be struck down.  The office holder can and should be voted out.  ... but calls for "serving time" or "indictments" are woefully unfounded.

        Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

        by Wisper on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 11:26:41 AM PST

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        •  How about abuse of power and (1+ / 0-)
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          not upholding the oath of which you took on behalf of ALL the people.

          You can charge an office-holder for personal crimes (like accepting bribes, obstructing justice, embezzling campaign money, etc) but passing bad laws is not ever considered criminal.
          Let's just make everything legal and then we will have no crime.  That is basically what you are saying because the people have been scammed from their voting rights so they are not ligetimately in there ,,,are they?

          We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

          by Vetwife on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 03:44:11 PM PST

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          •  not upholding an oath is impeachable (1+ / 0-)
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            but not criminal.  And abuse of power is not a statute either... more of a social accusation?  Not sure honestly what to characterize that as.

            Im not advocating legalizing anything.  Im just pointing out Article I Section 6 Clause 1 of the Constitution, specifically upheld in the SCOTUS decision of Kilbourn v. Thompson.

            You can not prosecute officials for their legislative acts.  Period.  

            Sorry.

            Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

            by Wisper on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 04:10:50 PM PST

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    •  Oh ..like there won't be voter suppresion then? (1+ / 0-)
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      I am sorry but I think there was some laws broken under the voting rights act.  Cleveland Atty did as well.
      I can't swallow that cup of tea that nothing can be done.
      Something CAN always be done.   A handful of corruption does not outweigh federal law and the will of the majority of the people.   I respectfully disagree.  I ain't figured it out yet but give me some time.

      We the People have to make a difference and the Change.....Just do it ! Be part of helping us build a veteran community online. United Veterans of America

      by Vetwife on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 03:41:07 PM PST

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