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  •  Evidence died in a plane crash in 2004. (5+ / 0-)
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    Evidence dies every time computers are not preserved, especially email accounts.  

    Evidence dies every time "black boxes" are used to count votes where no independent authority can verify the code and there is no paper trail.

    Evidence dies - and by evidence, I'm not necessarily talking evidence of wrongdoing - but all evidence.  Imagine if we had proof that the black box ballot machines were 100% correct in their operation.  That would perhaps go a long way towards satisfying the "conspiracy theorists" that votes are being stolen.  It sure wouldn't satisfy everyone, but it would be a lot more people who are satisfied than are satisfied now.  I mean, if they have nothing to hide, why not show the code?

    •  Have a paper trail (7+ / 0-)

      When we don't have that, then I won't trust any election!

      •  Exactly what was said by the radical (2+ / 0-)
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        League of Women Voters who had been charged with the implementation of HAVA in 2004 (though not funded). They went unheard, of course.

      •  and the right to look at it (1+ / 0-)
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        Here in RI, we use optical scanner machines, so the paper ballots are available for inspection. But the RI Supreme Court recently ruled (in a primary race decided by one vote, after 4 machine retabulations came out with 4 different numbers) that state law does not allow a manual / visual recount, only a machine re-feed recount.

        This makes no sense to me, and contradicts the theory that I thought was in the Bush v Gore lower court decisions, that votes should be counted if it is possible to discern voter intent -- even if the voter's marks screw up the scanner's counting system. (Stray marks invalidate a ballot; using the wrong pen makes it unreadable; circling names rather than connecting head and tail of arrow counts as "unmarked.")

        •  In NC, too. (2+ / 0-)
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          We have optical scanners.  But I trust them, because you can take the same stack of ballots and feed it through a different reader; or take half the stack and put it through one reader and put the other half through another to see if they add up the same way.  It's all very real, confirmable, reproducible, transparent, and very fast, which allows for multiple confirmation.  And the ballot sheets are easy to fill out.  

          If the ballots are poorly designed, then get your district to design them better, or get machines that aren't prone to misinterpretation.  But I'm convinced that optical scanning is superior to other technologies, by a wide margin.  

      •  Not Enough. Mandatory Random Audits Must Be (2+ / 0-)
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        done in every state in every election.

        I could rig an election count practically with an Excel macro of 3-4 lines, and the shift would be large enough to avoid mandatory recount but small enough not to be too suspicious.

        With such close margins, subtle election fraud can win a race, and the only guard against that kind of thing is mandatory audits.

        We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

        by Gooserock on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 03:57:19 PM PST

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    •  I hope you are referring to something other than (0+ / 0-)

      the 2008 crash that killed Ohio Republican consultant Michael Connell, which election conspiracy freaks have fantasied was engineered by Karl Rove to silence him from testifying about the theft of the 2004 election. This is untrue. If you ARE referring to this, I am going to have to come back and HR you.

      Jon Husted is a dick.

      by anastasia p on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 01:25:55 PM PST

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