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  •  Evening Joe...I have to take issue on the drone (1+ / 0-)
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    story.  Using drones to surveil our borders is not exactly equivalent to flying them over St Louis or Cincinnati.  I don't really see anything to be alarmed about in this context.  Border surveillance is an appropriate use for this technology...urban surveillance would not be.

    Oregon: Sure...it's cold. But it's a damp cold.

    by Keith930 on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 05:50:54 PM PST

    •  evening keith... (3+ / 0-)
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      check out this story:

      Cop cars to be replaced with drones by 2025

      Law enforcement agencies across the US are lining up to be among the first to use drones to serve and protect, but unmanned vehicles are likely to replace the traditional cop cruiser in just a few short years.

      In places like California, Texas and Washington State, police officers in recent weeks have intensified their demands for surveillance drones, a necessary addition they say to their arsenal of tools to help thwart crime. The Federal Aviation Administration has yet to finalize plans to put drones in US airspace, but by the end of the decade as many as 30,000 UAVs are expected to be soaring through the sky.

      By 2025, those drones are predicted to take the place of the police patrol car as unmanned vehicles operated by cops are being considered a likely inclusion on our roads of tomorrow.

      The article goes on to describe an exposition/design contest where major auto brands submitted designs for the cop car of the future.  they were largely drones of one sort or another.

      i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

      by joe shikspack on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 05:56:25 PM PST

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      •  the first time I read an article about google cars (2+ / 0-)

        that can drive themselves, this was my first thought:  unmanned police cruisers, with license plate recognition software, roaming the streets like sharks 24/7.

        I will happen, because it can happen, and technology follows it's own imperatives which are mostly beyond human control.
        All we can hope for is that the human component of the police state is diminished in accordance with this march towards technology.  If we end up with this intrusive technology only being piggybacked upon a bloated and obsolete human force of policemen, it will really suck.

        If I were head of the FOP, I would be opposing drones.

        Oregon: Sure...it's cold. But it's a damp cold.

        by Keith930 on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 06:06:33 PM PST

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        •  well, it seems to me that the predictable result.. (2+ / 0-)
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          of the replacement of police (people) with machines will be the concentration of power and information into a far smaller number of hands.  it seems inevitable that abuses of this power will be harder to bring into the sunlight.

          i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

          by joe shikspack on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 06:15:34 PM PST

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          •  or...you have an even more massive police (3+ / 0-)

            state, with ever increasing numbers of cops wielding more and more advanced technology, at greater and greater cost.  Of course, it won't be the 1% who foots the bill...it will be the population who this police state is at odds with and actively monitoring.  We will, in the end, be expected to pay for the apparatus whose purpose is to follow us, scrutinize us, arrest us and incarcerate us.  I see no opportunity for more sunlight with more cops along with more technology...just more arrests, more incarcerations, more fines, more intrusion.

            I don't now, nor have I ever, consider policemen to be public servants.

            Oregon: Sure...it's cold. But it's a damp cold.

            by Keith930 on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 06:32:01 PM PST

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            •  the only advantage in having more cop humans (3+ / 0-)
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              is that the more people that know about something, the more difficult it is to keep it quiet.  that is not to say that cop humans are necessarily honorable, or would make use of official channels or the courts to hold cops that act badly to account.  it just seems to multiply the opportunities for cops to reveal information to others outside of the official channels who do not adhere to the code of omerta.

              i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

              by joe shikspack on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 06:41:56 PM PST

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          •  the concentration of power and info will happen (1+ / 0-)
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            and there's little that civil libertarians can do about it.  It is a function of technological innovation, and not even the Constitution can really curb it.  The only countervailing force, in the end, will again be technological, not constitutional.

            At some point groups like Anonymous, if indeed they exist, will need to find technological methods to combat this movement.  Technology will soon outpace the constraints envisioned by our Constitution's framers, if it hasn't done so already.  And technology certainly progresses at a pace that far surpasses our ability as a society to grasp and form a political consensus upon.  We are mired in gridlock, but technology moves forward at the speed of light.

            Oregon: Sure...it's cold. But it's a damp cold.

            by Keith930 on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 06:41:56 PM PST

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            •  if anonymous is to succeed... (1+ / 0-)
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              we will all have to become anonymous.  i think that groups like anonymous are a slim reed to place our hopes upon.  

              if americans prize their privacy and want to protect their civil rights they will have to join together to reverse encroachments already made and prevent further damage to their rights.  i guess we'll see if that can happen.

              i'm part of the 99% - america's largest minority

              by joe shikspack on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 06:54:10 PM PST

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            •  I disagree (2+ / 0-)
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              with this.  We can't just say. oh well, it's going to happen anyway.


              "Justice is a commodity"

              by joanneleon on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 07:21:17 PM PST

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