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  •  I'm with you (7+ / 0-)

    What the Walmart people did was 100% wrong.  You can't beat a person to death for some petty crime.  However, the general attitude in these comments that it is ALWAYS wrong to physically stop a shoplifter is insane.  If you don't want to get tackled and knocked to the ground, then don't steal and then run away when you are caught.

    •  Opinions vary, but the "ALWAYS wrong" part (4+ / 0-)

      can be judged against a variety of benchmarks.  Wrong by store policy?  Wrong by local, state, and federal laws?  Or wrong by moral and ethical standards?

      It seems to me that morally and probably legally, it's fine for REASONABLE levels of force to be used against fleeing thieves (don't shoot them to death, please, it's not a capital crime), but that the POLICIES of most corporations forbid it because of the risk that the costs will exceed the benefits (especially when over-excited human guards may go well beyond "reasonable").

      "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

      by lgmcp on Mon Nov 26, 2012 at 06:40:23 PM PST

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    •  Stealing from Wal Mart... (1+ / 0-)
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      ... should be rewarded.  

      Wal Mart is stealing from its workers across the globe.  Those workers in Bangladesh gave their lives in a fiery inferno like some kind of ritual sacrifice to the gods of consumerism and profit.  It's disgusting.  

      We should steal them right out of business.  

      If you'd care to engage in a discussion about why it is morally right -- indeed heroic -- to steal from Wal Mart and morally wrong for Wal Mart to kill in retaliation, I'd be happy to joust.

      •  "Property is theft." Proudhon (4+ / 0-)

        Once upon a time, I was amazed to find the kind of right-wing sentiments I'd expect on Red State voiced right here on progressive Daily Kos.  But no more.

        Why the hell do people who have such love for authority and the power of the rich call themselves "progressives?"

        Proudhon was right.  This love for property, which is what drives the Randians, is sick.

        •  You are right to point out (0+ / 0-)

          that there is a robust sentiment here in favor of what you might call "authority and the power of the rich "  and another might call "social stability and private property".  

          I love the history of communitarian movements like the early Diggers, and I quite see the point of your critique.

          On the other hand, liberals in the "love me love me I'm a liberal" Phil Oakes sense (from which I by no means exempt myself) are decidedly invested in the established social order.  And constitute the lion's share of the loyal voters and donors, much outweighing the influence of more progressive or utopian visions.  

          "The extinction of the human race will come from its inability to EMOTIONALLY comprehend the exponential function." -- Edward Teller

          by lgmcp on Tue Nov 27, 2012 at 08:18:41 AM PST

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      •  You've reached the point of absurdity. (0+ / 0-)

        4π^3 + π^2 + π

        by Boris49 on Tue Nov 27, 2012 at 08:15:52 AM PST

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    •  Wanna be cops aren't trained. (4+ / 0-)
      However, the general attitude in these comments that it is ALWAYS wrong to physically stop a shoplifter is insane.
      They're stoopid and they hurt people.  They should observe and report and let the professionals take over.  

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