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  •  Bartlett is a WATB whose main complaint (7+ / 0-)

    is that no one wanted to buy his books. I read this bit of self-serving idiocy a few days ago via a link over at Balloon Juice. Screw him.

    It's not a "fiscal cliff," it's a Fiscal Bluff--so why don't we call them on it?

    by Uncle Cosmo on Tue Nov 27, 2012 at 09:51:20 PM PST

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    •  this is not about loving Bartlett (33+ / 0-)

      The point is Bartlett's message—both what he's saying, and that he's saying it. And who he's saying it to.

      Personally, i think his race "strategy" is a non-starter. ANd i doubt we'd see eye to eye on many things. But i'm thrilled that he wrote this.

      All things in the sky are pure to those who have no telescopes. – Charles Fort

      by subtropolis on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 12:41:14 AM PST

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    •  Yes, anyone who was still a Republican (4+ / 0-)

      in 2003 was pretty freakin' idiotic.

      And in specific I mean people like him who knew what were going on and not necessary good ole' senile Aunt Edna who just sits there all day long watch Bill O'Really

      •  It was about political identity,not politics (9+ / 0-)

        I remember talking to people in 2003 (when they would still talk to me) about the war in Iraq and why they voted for Bush. These were smart people who usually made good decisions. They believed the lies they were told. They could not step outside their comfort zone and question what was going on. Today, they probably have. I don't communicate with them so I don't know for sure but it makes sense to me.

        When you become too rigid in your thinking, it affects your judgment. If they were to question the war then they would have to question a lot of things as well. It was painful. Change is painful. Smart people evolve in their thinking. They take the risk of being wrong to find new ways of understanding things. Democrats can be very rigid as well sometimes. We all need to revamp our thinking a bit.

        I've been reading both The Nation and The American Conservative for years now. The American Conservative has been much more critical of the Neocons and Republicans in general than many many realize. Some of my best arguments against the war came from writers in The American Conservative Magazine.We all need to be more open-minded.

        •  Thank you (1+ / 0-)
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          It is no end of annoying the ironic way some people here at Daily Kos adopt the "fuck 'em all" attitude. It's really just the same they-don't-think-like-me-so-they-are-the-enemy attitude many on the right have. No negotiation, no recognition of good deeds, no communication, period.

          Yes, there are people who are hopelessly unreachable, but they are vastly in the minority, even on the right. Treating them all as we would the worst of them serves no one and is one of the main reasons why the Tea Party was the right's creature and not ours.

          The problem with going with your gut as opposed to your head is that the former is so often full of shit. - Randy Chestnut

          by lotusmaglite on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 11:46:50 AM PST

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          •  I agree, in part (2+ / 0-)
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            The Kos isn't the most tolerant progressive rag on the net.  But the hopelessly unreachable on the right are not the minority.  They are the people who recklessly joined with the far right.  They may not feel as radical as the far right, but they're still going to vote for them.  Because they have issues they cannot let go of, whether it be misguided religion or they only can entertain the view of reality that fits their world ideal.  Homosexuality, abortion, their view of "other" peoples entitlements (don't start looking at what they get, because they earned the right to that government money-it's a fact), "my" taxes, I built this myself, etc., are all issues that have become intractable to the right, far or moderate.  Because there is no moderate right anymore.  And those who remain on the right ARE truly unreachable.

            •  I'll have to disagree, here. (2+ / 0-)
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              All I ever see are the same few hundred morons at the Tea Party rallies, the same handful of thousand crazy callers on the radio shows, etc. Sure, they're representative of maybe a few million, but I don't believe 59 million people or anything like it are unreachable.

              There is also the fact that they had to have been persuaded to give up some aspects reality in the first place, so they are at least persuadable.

              I chalk some of this up to the fact that the left has neither the incredibly deep pockets nor the every-Sunday captive audience to preach their message, and thus we don't reach these people quickly enough. As I have said many times, the Tea Party's inception - that of tax resistance over being disgruntled about how that tax revenue was being used - was an opportunity we missed. They had questions, and we didn't get them the answers before the right did.

              After that, the right spent a lot of money artificially swelling their ranks, and violá! The grass was pulled up by its roots and replaced with astroturf.

              Point being, I think if we'd managed to reach them first, to provide bullet-point answers to their questions, we could have unleashed a very loud, obnoxious army armed with left-wing talking points instead of right. Sure, we couldn't have reached the racists who hopped on the bandwagon, but we could have had our hooks into the confused, frustrated old folks early on.

              The problem with going with your gut as opposed to your head is that the former is so often full of shit. - Randy Chestnut

              by lotusmaglite on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 03:25:37 PM PST

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          •  Thank you! :-) (2+ / 0-)
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            Hate speech from Democrats (and other progressives) is as disturbing and unproductive as that from the right, even if they have different targets. We should HR and squelch it here -- it seriously works against us (even if it attracts attention, tips and recs here -- alas).

        •  I recall a colleague of mine who the day (2+ / 0-)
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          after the 2004 election announced that she was fed up enough that she officially went out and un-registered as a Republican.

          I had a lot of fun with that - laughing uproariously and saying "let me get this right - you were a Republican until 4 hours ago?"

          And then the next day, still laughing uproariously "Let me get this straight - you were a Republican up to 1 day ago?"

          And then on the third day, yup still laughing uproariously "Let me get this straight - you were a Republican until 2 days ago?"

          and so forth - it never got old - at least not for 6 or 7 weeks.

          And best of all, she could had NO response because it was completely obvious that any sane person would have renounced being Republican not 20 days earlier, but 20 years earlier . ..  

          •  Was your colleague really mentally ill? (1+ / 0-)
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            I don't mean to ruin the fun, and it sounds like she probably took it good-naturedly. But sometimes rhetoric gets the better of us. It's a joke for us, but the other side doesn't see it that way. (Same with some of their 'jokes,' for us.)

            she could had NO response because it was completely obvious that any sane person would have renounced being Republican not 20 days earlier, but 20 years earlier...
            Somewhere around 3/4 of people vote the same way as their parents did (I forget the exact number). Once party-ID starts it's hard to change. It takes effort to get people to switch party allegiance -- a long-term effort that Democrats have woefully neglected, to counter the growing wave of right-wing think-tank funding that emerged in the 1970s.
            •  By "really" do you meant "actually" or (1+ / 0-)
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              "in an advanced state" ?

              The former could very well apply, the latter probably not so much so.

              Since every single one of us is probably mentally ill to some extent or another.

              As outlined in this provocative article: Deconstructing the Mosaic Brain

              I know that I definitely am not completely  sane, whatever that means.  

              And also that I don't get terribly offended when that is pointed out to me.

    •  do yourself a favor (2+ / 0-)
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      don't treat this guy like a traitor for being a republican while he's trying to get republicans to see how crazy it is for them to view him as a traitor just for showing how detached from reality they've become.

      this is an article that should be shared on Facebook so that every GOPer you know still spouting nonsense is forced, even for a moment, to look in the mirror and perhaps see how they really look. there are a few out there that are starting to open their eyes. now is the time to reach them in ways they'll hear.

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