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  •  Ollie, there are a few problems with your thesis. (4+ / 0-)
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    stormicats, Laconic Lib, OllieGarkey, cai

    1.)Acidification is not at all a good thing but nobody is saying that ALL saltwater fish are going to die out.

    2.)Who said it was too late to save coral reefs?

    3.)12 degrees, by 2100? Last time I checked, the current numbers do have us possibly going as high as 6-7*C by 2100, and that's with most, or all feedbacks playing out to the worst extent, under BAU, but no farther than that by then.{Though I can very readily concede that it would definitely put a major strain on civilization, no doubt about that at this point}

    And, finally, 170 degrees in Texas? Even summer extremes wouldn't get that high under the worst-case scenario, let alone averages.

    I live just north of Dallas and our average summer high is about 96 degrees in the month of July.

    A hypothetical straight high temperature rise of about 6*C, for every month, would put Dallas at around 105*F for a July high, which makes it more like Phoenix, climate wise.
    Now, assuming a 12*C rise, and using the 1981-2010 climate normals as a base, you would get a high of about 117*F; now we're approaching Baghdad territory.

    And the worst-case climate model that the IPCC has run, suggests that a mean temperature rise of about 11*F could be possible for Dallas by 2100, which would give us an average mean of about 78*F or so, slightly higher than Phoenix today. (BTW, could you be so kind as to link to the TED talk in question?)

    Okay, nitpicking aside, if there's one thing I can agree, I'd like to hug this lady too. =)

    •  Actually, I have a slight correction to make. (3+ / 0-)
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      This estimate of mine was partly based on a video on the running of the A1B scenario, which actually isn't the worst case, but rather, one of the somewhat more middle of the road, (though still definitely leaning on the high side) ones. So, I'll offer a slight mea culpa there. =)

      •  And by the way, thanks for the nitpicking. (2+ / 0-)
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        marsanges, cai

        I don't like being wrong, and if the information I'm basing my opinions on is wrong, I'd like to know.

        An Fhirinn an aghaidh an t'Saoghail. (The truth against the world.) Is treasa tuath na tighearna. (The common people are mightier than the lords.)

        by OllieGarkey on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 11:29:13 AM PST

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    •  12 degrees by 2300. (2+ / 0-)
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      cai, Steve Canella

      We're talking about a longer term projection than 2100.

      We're trying to keep climate change low so that it's reverseable. But with the feedback problems, there's a cliff.

      I also can paste a full transcript of that 17 minute talk as a separate diary for discussion for everyone if you like.

      There's the link to the major source. The issue with acidification is it's killing the coral reefs. If those die, most of the food chain in the ocean falls apart.

       Acidification is bleaching the coral reefs. Yeah, the acidification won't kill most fish, but starvation can. Acidification is affecting stuff like plankton, too. If plankton and the coral reefs are both threatened, than a lot of the larger food-fish aren't going to make it. We're not talking about all of the fish, but we are talking about fish large enough for people to eat. Except for maybe anchovies. Those will probably still be around.

      Stuff like Tuna and Salmon has a chance of dying out, especially if their food chain falls apart. Add in the human element, too, and we've got a problem. If things are really getting that bad, and we're dealing with famine situations, are we really going to be able to keep people from fishing the seas into oblivion?

      And if you think about what happens when a water-based ecosystem starts to break down, you get stuff like red tides, you get algae blooms, you get all sorts of terrible reactions within those ecosystems.

      If we don't do something really, really soon to cut the production of greenhouse gasses and continue cutting it every year, we're screwed.

      An Fhirinn an aghaidh an t'Saoghail. (The truth against the world.) Is treasa tuath na tighearna. (The common people are mightier than the lords.)

      by OllieGarkey on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 11:28:09 AM PST

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