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  •  Ouch. They saved my friends life. (6+ / 0-)

    The Salvation Army definitely saved the life of a friend of mine.  Took him off the street, gave him housing for a long time and helped him off drugs.  They run really good programs.  Just like churches, expect with the Salvation Army I've seen it personally.

    They also have a strong religious slant to them.  Sort of AA like in that it does not come across as specific to one religion, but it's got the judo-christian thing going on.

    They need to lose any and all homophobia.  I hope they can lose the hate while maintaining the good programs they do.

    When we talk about war, we're really talking about peace.

    by genethefiend on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 06:29:11 AM PST

    •  Judo (4+ / 0-)

      I really like that! Those evangelical Christians can really trip you up.  

    •  They saved lives of friends of mine (4+ / 0-)

      I tutored a girl from the Cabrini-Green housing project in Chicago (now closed). The girl lived with her mother and sister.

      One day, the mother's common-law husband and father of the younger daughter got out of prison (I know this sounds like a bad movie script, but it's all true, I swear) and came back to the family. He started beating up the mother regularly.

      One night he came home, drunk, and started attacking her again. The mother was ready and attacked him with a knife she had hidden underneath the bed. She took the girls and fled to the only place she knew would be safe -- a Salvation Army shelter.

      They stayed there for about two weeks until the SA found them a place to live in a different neighborhood. Better yet, they gave the mother a job, where she still works today, more than 20 years later.

      No charity is perfect, and I am as disgusted by the homophobic comments as anyone else. But I can't pass by a red kettle without throwing in a dollar, because I know how much they helped Denise and her family.

    •  They "need" to lose any and all homophobia (3+ / 0-)
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      4Freedom, spacecadet1, VeloVixen

      Sure ... and Al Qaeda needs to stop killing people.

      But they're not going to.

      So they'll continue to condescend to their clients, practice discrimination against their employees and be a poor second best substitute for publicly supported social welfare programs -- while bringing enormous political power to bear to maintain the poverty status quo.

      "The poor ye have always with you" ... and therein lies thy job security.

      •  While more recent evidence has been given here (2+ / 0-)
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        genethefiend, Catte Nappe

        for discrimination against employees, I don't see any recent evidence of

        condescend to their clients,
        .

        That may not excuse the discrimnation they do practice but it seems unfair to say they condescend or discriminate against clients with no more evidence than a story from 20 years ago.

        Also, regarding:

        a poor second best substitute for publicly supported social welfare programs
        The SA certainly jumps in to help, in most instances, much more quickly than the government safety net does.  Weeks and weeks of "proofs" and other bureaucratic BS do not exist when asking the SA for help.

        ************************************************* "Stifling an urge to dance is bad for your health — it rusts your spirit and your hips." - Terri Guillemets

        by BitterEnvy on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 08:27:51 AM PST

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