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  •  Why is it that the only Christians (2+ / 0-)
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    we hear from are self-important, bigoted, ill-educated demagogues like Warren and Brian Fischer? I mean, is there something inherently stupid about this religion? Or are all the relatively sane Christians (supposing there are any) just sitting on their thumbs, watching the show?

    I am trying not to be anti-Christian. I don't want to be anti-Christian. But when all I hear from the Christian point of view arrives via these doltish, ill-informed hate mongers, what am I supposed to think?

    "The pessimists may be right in the end but an optimist has a better time getting there" -- Samuel Clemons

    by native on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 05:30:48 PM PST

    •  They're the ones with their own platforms. (4+ / 0-)

      Us liberal types don't do the whole separating from everyone else thing, so we don't try to get our own TV stations and radio stations.

      Robertson's apparently got a permanent deal on the 700 Club's time slot. Any liberal Christian trying to have an answering show would 1) have to find a station willing to run it and 2) cough up market standard rates.

      This is without counting in differences in giving between churches where one must tithe and it must be to the church and not much goes to any sort of charity versus churches that don't always preach tithing and may include local charities as acceptable recipients and may have part of the church budget going to charity work. Fundamentalists generally have an advantage there.

      And then there's the Controversy Sells issue, in which the fundamentalists get free airtime and the liberal Christians don't because the opposing voice if there is one is usually either not a Christian or someone who isn't in a church staff position that would be mentioned on-air.

      There are a lot of good liberal Christian bloggers out there. They just don't get the visibility opportunities Robertson does even when they're making a lot more sense than he does.

      Prayers and best wishes to those in Japan.

      by Cassandra Waites on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 05:47:14 PM PST

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      •  And also, with regards to Warren, (5+ / 0-)

        the Christian book market is huge. And the publishers have 'standards'. A liberal Christian isn't likely to show up on the bookshelves of Lifeway, and if he or she does, it's because the book reads like it could have been written by a fundamentalist.

        Just look at the issues Rachel Held Evans has been having with her book poking at the concept of Biblical Womanhood. Lifeway won't stock it.

        Which leaves the religion shelf at general bookstores. And they try to stock what books are selling, which are usually whatever the major Christian chains are selling.

        There's practically a low-level ongoing rebellion against the Christian identified publishers because of the content restrictions on authors.

        Warren managed to make a name for himself in Christian publishing by complying with the publishers and bookstores' content and theology rules. Someone writing something as potentially influential as Purpose-Driven Life but from a liberal perspective wouldn't get published or would never have access to the market that made Warren so visible -- which now gives him access to airtime.

        Prayers and best wishes to those in Japan.

        by Cassandra Waites on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 05:54:54 PM PST

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    •  Why yell on TV when there's so much WORK (4+ / 0-)

      to be done in the world?

      Is there something inherently stupid in people who think being on TV, sitting on their thumbs and watching the show, is more important than building Habitat houses, engaging in prison ministries, working for the ordination of LGBT pastors, serving jail time for breaking into nuclear weapons storage facilities or handcuffing oneself to the gates of the School of the Americas, running homeless shelters, sponsoring free health screening for the poor, running second-hand clothing stores, operating food pantries and soup kitchens, Occupying, tutoring schoolkids, teaching ESL and adult literacy and GED classes, staying with sick and dying people in the hospital, visiting with old people in nursing homes, mediating gang disputes, staffing sheltered workshops and halfway houses, digging wells for people who can't do the work themselves, cooking and doing chores for the grieving, helping communities rebuild after natural disasters, sponsoring symposia on peacemaking, donating gifts and food baskets to the less fortunate at Christmas, etc., etc., etc., etc.?

      Turn off the TV and look around. Never know what you'll see...

      Peace out ;D


      by raincrow on Wed Nov 28, 2012 at 06:39:06 PM PST

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