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  •  What constitutes "reform"? (11+ / 0-)

    It would be really helpful if someone (such as Senator Gillibrand?) would outline the actual methods being proposed as reforms of the filibuster, including the ones rejected by Senate Dems in 2011 and those offered by Sens. Merkeley and Udall now. Then each proposal could be fleshed out with a discussion of the reasonably expected results.  Reform for the sake of Reform tells me nothing.  I've read paeans to the "talking filibuster" followed by eloquent arguments about how such change would make no difference to Sen. Mitch (Rules?  We don't want no stinkin' rules!) McConnell.  Why does no one clearly spell out the so-called "nuclear option"?

    Please inform and educate us, fellow Kossacks!

    •  How does only 41 votes to keep it going help us? (0+ / 0-)

      It's late and perhaps I'm misreading the web page. Under how to fix it link: those objecting to the legislation 'must produce' 41 votes to sustain it. Whereas now we need 60 votes to end it. Why couldn't the GOP routinely come up with 41 votes? What am I missing here?

      •  Because the flesh is weak. (3+ / 0-)
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        Why couldn't the GOP routinely come up with 41 votes?
        If there are 45 Senators who want to continue the filibuster, and 5 of them leave the Senate chamber to use the washroom, or eat, or go to their offices to meet lobbyists, the majority calls for a vote and the ones doing the filibuster have only 40.  Thus ends the filibuster.  Wishy-washy Blue Dogs can abstain from voting and the filibuster still gets broken.  It's hard to keep 41 people continuously available in one place even if they have 49 people supporting the filibuster and rotate themselves in and out.  

        Renewable energy brings national global security.     

        by Calamity Jean on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 01:01:48 PM PST

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