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  •  Not really - modern agriculture is WAY (0+ / 0-)

    crueler than this - it looks like these dolphins died a horrific death but most of their life was probably OK.

    By contrast factory farming is immensely cruel to the animals every single day of their lives.

    •  so you'd prefer, say, the life of feral hogs? (1+ / 0-)
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      or you could look at the way the Japanese still treat dolphins and whales.

      I say again: it's a false equivalence to suggest that what's going on with these dolphins is the same as farming or fishing.

      Since roses and apples and carrots are all known to react to painful stimuli, there is no non-cruel human activity.

      LBJ, Lady Bird, Anne Richards, Barbara Jordan, Sully Sullenberger, Ike, Drew Brees, Molly Ivins --Texas is no Bush league! -7.50,-5.59

      by BlackSheep1 on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 08:28:19 AM PST

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      •  OK, I'll agree that it's a false equivalence (0+ / 0-)

        but don't agree that you should be offended, because again MODERN AGRICULTURE IS MASSIVELY FUCKING WORSE

        •  Roadbed Guy: false equivalences always offend (0+ / 0-)

          me. They should you, too.
          They're how the GOP gets elected.

          LBJ, Lady Bird, Anne Richards, Barbara Jordan, Sully Sullenberger, Ike, Drew Brees, Molly Ivins --Texas is no Bush league! -7.50,-5.59

          by BlackSheep1 on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 09:07:46 AM PST

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          •  But you were offended that something (0+ / 0-)

            that was occurring on a rather limited scale was compared to something more horrific that occurs on an even larger scale.

            Thus, if the "false equivalence" was directed in the other direction, I can see how somebody could be offended.

            But the way this "false equivalence" was set up the only real objection could be that it falsely minimizes the horrors of modern agriculture.   But really, to claim to be "offended" about that really jumps the shark.  

            Plus you threw in a bunch straw herrings or red turkeys (I'm not good at logical fallacies - but I definitely recognized a bunch of them in your writings - like your insinuations that we were obsessed about pain and suffering to vegetables - no, not really, we are more concerned about the 4,000,000,000 birds, 35,000,000 cattle, and 25,000,000 hogs put through hell each year in factory farms . . .)

            •  Ok, so I jump the shark. Farming isn't what it (1+ / 0-)
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              ought to be since Reaganomics took it out of the hands of families and gave it to outfits like ConAgra, I agree. But we had 1100 head of chickens, alone, on the farm I grew up on, and they got out of the chickenhouse every morning. I spent an hour or so every evening helping round them up to put back in the chickenhouse, so the coyotes and roaming dogs wouldn't slaughter them.

              That level of care is quaint by today's industrial standards, I know.
              I just think we would be better off as a nation with more small enterprises than with a few big outfits (I'm looking at you, Tyson).

              The dolphins in Japan are rounded up and slaughtered annually; think of it as the equivalent of the baby-seal massacre, carried out on the seagoing equivalent of Australian shepherds.

              Meanwhile,feral hogs can and do spread disease and wreak havoc on livestock, croplands, and vehicles, but that's okay because the hogs don't suffer, I suppose. Oh and I wasn't talking about obsessions with pain and suffering to vegetables. I was talking about scientific facts.  You'll hear this shinola from the vegans that they harm nothing via their lifestyle, which makes them morally superior to the omnivore; they're deluding themselves, just as those who want to say a few dolphins here,some spilt oil or pithed-off fishermen there, a few whales yonder, a few nuisance feral mustangs turned into dogfood, another couple million cubic feet of greenhouse emissions don't matter are deluding themselves.

              This situation, with these dolphins, is not the same thing as commercial farming. It's not the same thing as commercial fishing.
              Do I want to argue that those are not worse?
              In terms of sheer numbers they probably are, but the waste involved here sets it apart, even from the stupidity of that bloodsoaked Japanese town's annual dolphin slaughter, Taiji.

              LBJ, Lady Bird, Anne Richards, Barbara Jordan, Sully Sullenberger, Ike, Drew Brees, Molly Ivins --Texas is no Bush league! -7.50,-5.59

              by BlackSheep1 on Thu Nov 29, 2012 at 09:59:44 AM PST

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              •  That's alot of information, I plan to go through (1+ / 0-)
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                it in due course.

                However, just to get started - those feral hogs don't appear to me to have all that bad of a life, even from reading your link and also from independent googling I've done.

                And yes, that's the POV here - the suffering of the animals.

                Something that people care about to quite divergent and various degrees, it would seem.

                •  those feral hogs inflict quite a lot of suffering (0+ / 0-)

                  on other animals, in point of fact. They spread disease, destroy habitat, eat eggs and young.... they are invasive, not native.

                  LBJ, Lady Bird, Anne Richards, Barbara Jordan, Sully Sullenberger, Ike, Drew Brees, Molly Ivins --Texas is no Bush league! -7.50,-5.59

                  by BlackSheep1 on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 11:42:27 AM PST

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