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  •  Ummm....That's OK. Democrats like to forget (2+ / 0-)
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    bontemps2012, radarlady

    their rather nasty civil rights history and the fact that Republicans were the drivers of most civil rights reforms.

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    by dinotrac on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 08:59:51 AM PST

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      •  Segregationist Dems are now Republicans (11+ / 0-)

        Republicans supported civil rights reforms through the mid-1960s, but liberal Democrats drove those reforms from the 1930s onward, and it was Texas Democrat Lyndon Johnson who as Senate Majority Leader drove passage of the Civil Rights Acts of 1957 and 1960 and as President drove passage of the Civil Rights Acts of 1964 and 1968 and the Voting Rights Act of 1965 (after which LBJ predicted the Democrats would lose the South for a generation). Southern reaction against those bills drove the segregationist presidential campaign of George Wallace in 1968 and caused Richard Nixon to realize that Republicans could break the Democratic lock on the South by appealing to those white supremacist southerners, which they did. Since the early 1970s, Republicans have practically repudiated their historic role in advancing civil rights.

        •  you have to keep things simple (8+ / 0-)

          when talking to Republicans----I just tell them that if their party ever again ran a liberal like Lincoln for president, I'd GLADLY vote for him/her.  It never fails to short-circuit their synapses!

          •  If you think Lincoln was a liberal, (1+ / 0-)
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            wait'll you discover Eisenhower.

            Question:

            Did you know that Lincoln considered blacks to be inferior to whites? He considered them to be human, and thus entitled to human justice and compassion, but some lower form of human.

            That was a very common belief among abolitionists, and one reason why Frederick Douglass was such an important figure.  For many of those who met him or heard him speak, he was the first black man to shake their belief that blacks were some lower form of humanity.

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            by dinotrac on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 03:54:28 AM PST

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        •  Segregationist Dems are now dead. (2+ / 0-)
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          Unless somebody's resurrected Maddox and Wallace, Gore (the daddy, not the sone), et al.

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          by dinotrac on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 11:33:33 AM PST

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          •  And their descendants are now Republicans. n/t (2+ / 0-)
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            •  Al Gore is the only descendant with whom I am (0+ / 0-)

              familiar.  I believe that he is a Democrat.

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              by dinotrac on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 01:26:59 PM PST

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              •  no one said segregationist *politicians* (1+ / 0-)
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                Even though you'd like it to sound that way in order to make an inane anti-point.

                There were millions of segregationists who always voted against the party of Lincoln for Democrats. Their spawn are now among the millions who always vote against the party of Obama for Republicans.

                Labor is prior to, and independent of, capital. Capital is only the fruit of labor, and could never have existed if labor had not first existed. Labor is the superior of capital, and deserves much the higher consideration. -- K.Marx A.Lincoln

                by N in Seattle on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 03:23:57 PM PST

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                •  Your address betrays your supposed point. (1+ / 0-)
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                  All the way up there in Seattle it's easy to make cartoon generalizations of people you know nothing about.

                  Shouldn't you be focusing on racists in Idaho?
                  That would seem much closer to home.

                  I will kindly let you pretend that Seattle is all sweetness and light.

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                  by dinotrac on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 03:43:37 PM PST

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          •  My understanding is that Gore Sr. (0+ / 0-)

            was a close ally of Roosevelt's who felt that racism was tool used to keep the South poor, and hoped that government programs like the TVA woul employ black and white, and elevate both.

    •  Republicans ignore how they betrayed their history (4+ / 0-)
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      The Southern Strategy and the subsequent poisoning of the GOP by racism ended the Party of Lincoln. They are now the party of Jefferson Davis (and are still run by the monied interests as characterized by Blair in the movie).

      The GOP is the party of mammon. They mock what Jesus taught.

      by freelunch on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 10:21:48 AM PST

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    •  Bullshit. (2+ / 0-)
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      It was Lincoln who said that calling a dog's tail a leg doesn't mean that dogs have five legs. The racist Dixiecrats all became Republicans; today's Democrats have no relationship to them. Hell, even in the 60s it was the Democrats who were progressive on civil rights ... unless you think that JFK and LBJ were Republicans.

      •  Yes he did. (0+ / 0-)

        Which racist Dixiecrats became Republicans?

        I can think of Strom Thurmond.

        On the other hand, Robert Byrd, who was actually a Ku Klux Klan leader and used the phrase "white nigger" in 21st century interviews, remained a Democrat until the day he died.

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        by dinotrac on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 02:04:34 PM PST

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        •  Byrd was a KKK member for local reasons (2+ / 0-)
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          when they dominated some areas so thoroughly the best way to get ahead politically was to join regardless of how racist or indifferent to race you might have been personally... his racist tinged past was something he later regretted and moved away from. He ended his career a very different Democrat from the type of Democrat he started as.

          And beyond Strom... read up on the Dixiecrats... they bolted the party en masse in 1948 and the remaining conservadems in the South who lingered on as Dems in name only pretty much completed the break in 1980 voting for Reagan and migrating to being Republicans.

          Pogo & Murphy's Law, every time. Also "Trust but verify" - St. Ronnie (hah...)

          by IreGyre on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 03:32:12 PM PST

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          •  Yeah. The locals were racists, and he was a (1+ / 0-)
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            leader.

            And yes, he does appear to have changed his tune -- as did, by the way, a number of those Dixiecrats to whom you refer.

            BTW -- how do you feel about Democratic racists in the north?
            Ever been to Southie?

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            by dinotrac on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 03:41:20 PM PST

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        •  So because you can only think of one there was (1+ / 0-)
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          only one? You're both a very dishonest person and an idiot.

          used the phrase "white nigger" in 21st century interviews
          Here's the interview, jackass ... watch the whole thing:

          http://www.youtube.com/...

          remained a Democrat until the day he died
          Yes, because he wasn't a racist, you dishonest sack of shit.
        •  Jesse Helms, Jerry Falwell, Ronald St. Reagan... (1+ / 0-)
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          for starters.

          "Push the button, Max!" Jack Lemmon as Professor Fate, The Great Race

          by bartcopfan on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 11:03:02 AM PST

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