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  •  I'm not 'finding him guilty'... (1+ / 0-)
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    because I don't know enough about the evidence for and against him. That's what a trial is for.

    I will say that if he did do what he is accused of, he is guilty of serious crimes and deserves to be punished.

    And, once again, his pre-trial confinement and treatment has absolutely nothing to do with his guilt or innocence. How could it? It doesn't change what he did or didn't do. The only factor I see would be if his right to a speedy trial was infringed on, but other than claiming that it was, I haven't seen any pleading from the defense specifying WHY the delay was un-Constutional. Hell, for starters, there's a war on, right?

    I don't see anything on the Wikipedia page that constitutes torture or punishment. There's no explanation for the rationale behind the 'prevention of injury' status that brought about most of the restrictive rules regarding his behavior. I would hope that this designation would require a doctor's assessment, but we don't know.

    When he was placed on 'suicide watch', it lasted 3 days and resulted in the brig commander (who ordered it) being relieved. OK, it looks like that was wrong - but we don't know why it happened, do we? - and for a Marine field grade officer to be relieved like that, well, that's a serious punishment all by itself - end of career, most likely.

    So I don't see any organized punishment or torture in Manning's treatment - and no 'revenge' either.

    If that were the case, I suspect it would have gone far, far worse for him, especially while he was confined in Kuwait.


    Against stupidity the gods themselves contend in vain. Friedrich Schiller

    by databob on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 01:24:51 PM PST

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    •  Actually, Manning waived his speedy trial rights. (4+ / 0-)

      His defense counsel wanted additional time to investigate.
      My understanding is that such waivers are usual.

      One piece of free advice to the GOP: Drop the culture wars, explicitly.

      by Inland on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 01:37:07 PM PST

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      •  Which is fine. (0+ / 0-)

        But what can we say about people who, even here, post outrage about how Manning hasn't gotten a speedy trial? Are they ignorant of his own counsel's role in the delay? Or are they just full of shit?

        •  What we can say is (1+ / 0-)
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          there aren't very many of them, and they seem to be diminishing in number as they double down on bullshit, e.g., stevej's shot about obfuscating war crimes.

          One piece of free advice to the GOP: Drop the culture wars, explicitly.

          by Inland on Fri Nov 30, 2012 at 02:10:55 PM PST

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