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  •  Absolutely (sort of) (8+ / 0-)

    Actually, when the treaty was confirmed in the Senate, the US added various"Reservations, Understandings, and Declarations" that significantly weakened the US stance, mainly by redefining certain terms.

    This was done under the Clinton administration, by Clinton-era government attorneys, and has never been changed under any administration, or various political party rule in Congress.

    It is an abomination that almost no other country engaged in, and has been protested by other signatories.

    War is the statesman's game, the priest's delight, The lawyer's jest, the hired assassin's trade Invictus

    by Valtin on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 12:24:14 PM PST

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    •  You make an interesting point. Which means that (2+ / 0-)
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      the US is not really a party to this treaty. We have exempted ourselves out of this treaty. But we are still bound to international law. We can still be prosecuted for violating its terms. Because these are war crimes. We just do not get to claim that we are a nation that honors international law. We do not get to claim that we do not torture. We do torture and we believe that torture should be legal. At least for us. Payback can be a mutha. We had better watch our step. Because the patience of the international community may run out one day. What happens if we get slapped with international sanctions? We did it to Iran and Iraq what is to prevent the Chinese from doing this to us? If Iran is in contravention of international are we not also? If we accuse Iran of using weasel words about international law don't we also use those same weasel words? In other words Who the Hell do we think we are criticizing others for doing what we do?

      •  No, though I get your point (5+ / 0-)

        The US is a party to the treaty. It is the process of offering reservations as constituted currently under international law that allows for such functional vetos over portions of the treaty.

        But believe me, the US wouldn't have spent so much time justifying their torture as not being against the UNCAT treaty (in the Yoo/Bybee/Bradbury memos) if they really didn't consider themselves part of the treaty.

        War is the statesman's game, the priest's delight, The lawyer's jest, the hired assassin's trade Invictus

        by Valtin on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 12:51:32 PM PST

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      •  "the patience of the international (2+ / 0-)
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        community may run out some day."

        oh lord, that was hilarious.  I may forward that to friends.

        •  Hey, it could happen! But then what? (1+ / 0-)
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          They'd have the most powerful and advanced military machine in human history to go up against...dang it!

          Here's to hope!
          (as we clank & clink our champagne glasses together)


          -7.62; -5.95 The scientists of today think deeply instead of clearly. One must be sane to think clearly, but one can think deeply and be quite insane.~Tesla

          by gerrilea on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 06:24:25 PM PST

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