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  •  Taiwan officially calls itself "Republic of China" (0+ / 0-)

    … even today.

    All during the period it held China's seat, it claimed that it was China, and the U.S. agreed.

    It was a one-party dictatorship under the KMT. The rubber-stamp legislature allocated seats for all the mainland provinces, filled with KMT cronies (whose positions were permanent, elections not being possible in the places they purported to represent).

    Official maps that still show the ROC as all of China even include areas the People's Republic long since ceded to neighbors or otherwise gave up claim to.

    That's history. Those are the facts.

    Now, people and societies do change their minds over time. Certainly there is a case that can be made for independence and various alternative routes to it.

    The case just shouldn't be based on a "we have always been at war with Eastasia", down-the-memory-hole view of things that turns the true reality and history upside down and denies known facts.

    The Dutch kids' chorus Kinderen voor Kinderen wishes all the world's children freedom from hunger, ignorance, and war.

    by lotlizard on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 03:27:18 PM PST

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    •  Case (0+ / 0-)

      ... how can you make any case ... except for international recognition?

      There's room at the top they're telling you still But first you must learn how to smile as you kill If you want to be like the folks on the hill

      by taonow on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 06:15:35 PM PST

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      •  Fact: Taiwan situation is a result of a civil war. (0+ / 0-)

        KMT regime and Communists were not two countries fighting, they were parties to a civil war inside one country.

        Formally, it could be argued that Taipei and Beijing must first lay the technical state of "civil war within one country" to rest, before anything else can happen. No one else can change that status for them.

        Time alone doesn't make technical states of war or civil war go away — even if many years go by, eventually they have to be resolved diplomatically with some kind of treaty.

        For example, World War II ended in 1945. Yet the status of Germany wasn't fully settled until 1990–1991, when a treaty was finally signed by the two German states and the four victorious Allies.
        http://en.wikipedia.org/...

        The Dutch kids' chorus Kinderen voor Kinderen wishes all the world's children freedom from hunger, ignorance, and war.

        by lotlizard on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 12:37:15 PM PST

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