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  •  HoundDog... beautiful work! (14+ / 0-)

    I was not "getting it" until I read this diary. It seems so clear now.

    You must attempt to edit a bit and post it in OPINION sections around the country. Good places to try:  Bloomberg News, NYT, WaPo and any place else.  Just the facts, a bit shorter, and I bet it would get posted.

    Please try.  It's well written and clear to anyone who has a clear mind.

    •  I wish I knew a good editor that could show me how (5+ / 0-)

      to go to the next steps for improving my writing, and also to break into this next level of media.  

      I've been looking around for some writing seminars of the sort sort where other people writing these kinds of posts, editorials, or short articles might each bring in a story each week and collectively edit them.  

      What does one do to get into these places - just mail them into the editors?  I am know how to clean up the style, be more polite and civil, and take out the nasty little quips.  I've been meaning to find a copy of the "Elements of Style Book.  Was that Strunk and White or was that a different one.

      If I could break through the polishing barrier I've got plenty where this came from.  Cranked out five yesterday, four of which made it too the REC list.  

      I've been an super avid reader all my life and love to read opinion articles especially NYT, WSJ, WaPo.  

      Thanks for these encouraging comments victoria2dc.  Does your UID mean you've ended up in Washington DC?

      The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

      by HoundDog on Sat Dec 01, 2012 at 10:58:29 PM PST

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      •  honestly I read much worse writing on HP (4+ / 0-)
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        writing that is more noticibly flawed (for example, does not support its statements logically).

        Nothing jumped out at me, conversely, in this piece. Rest assured it is ready right now to be sent out as suggested as you meanwhile, as you say, hone your skills.

        Maybe you should message the poster who made the suggestion asking them if they would consider giving you tips on what needs editiing.

        Maybe there is someone (they know someone) on DK who'd do that for you, if not them.

        seriously nothing jumps out at me. I'm not the best writer without a lot of (self) editing. I'm under the impression that other people's writing flows out of them at a much higher initial quality. But I am a very fluent reader...I know when something is not right. It's very common on HP that I get irritated by the quality, for example.
        Yet nothing here jumps out at me. Style does not distract from content at all. It was a pleasant and quick read
        best wishes to you!

        •  Thanks jplanner. Sometimes I get a really good (3+ / 0-)
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          flow that seems natural.  In this one, I erred by thinking I would save time if I started with the text of two previous post, and a new one, but it got so long I ended up spending hours writing connections, elaborating into too much detail, and ended up with four or five paragraphs in different places that said the same thing.  So think I moved all sort of stuff around so much that it didn't seem to flow and my concentration sagged - so this one seem sort of choppy and awkward tome.

          But I guess I should be flattered when you say,   "honestly I read much worse writing on HP writing that is more noticibly flawed..."  Hey, I better write home to Mom about this one.  The best review I've receive yet.   lol

          The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

          by HoundDog on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 08:09:53 AM PST

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          •  that's happened to me before (0+ / 0-)

            trying to meld two different writings from different times.

            It didn't seem choppy to me. I think it seems choppier to the writer becaues we know where the seams are!

            it was fine.

            I've only written three diaries. THe first one was REc listed...i didn't even know what that meant at the time ;). I think for content more than (barely adequate) style. But the other ones didn't really get read.

            I don't have the perseverance right now to work on it more. But it gives me a taste of how hard people do work on their writing at times (though I didn't know you'd spend hours!).

            so you are very welcome for complement. I like to give them when they are true remembering how very much it meant to me that people liked my first diary.

      •  Why don't you give a piece or two the NY Times... (2+ / 0-)
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        try to get a piece published on the editorial pages under personal opinion. Go through the past couple of months, read what's been accepted, and go from there.

        Also, NYTimes Magazine publishes a piece on the back page every week. Start to get published in small pieces like that and you can build up a resume outside of DKos.

        I'm one to talk, though. Like you, I'd like to start writing more professionally and am not really sure how to get from here to there. Those above steps just seem to make sense. I've sent one piece to the NYTimes and never heard back but I need to start trying more regularly.

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        by angelajean on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 09:05:31 AM PST

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        •  Thanks for these kind and encouraging words (1+ / 0-)
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          Angelajean. Getting something published any where in the NTY would be like a lifetime dream.  

          But, I can't even get past the first sentence without thinking the I should of started the sentence with "Yesterday" rather than break up the flow of the noun - verb motion with a temporal phrase.  Originally, I didn't even had it in.  

          Then, just as I'm about to change it another part of my brain says wait, what's the single most important part of the sentence?  President Obama!  Shouldn't that go first?  I just decided on pure intuition that putting yesterday first, getting it out of the way would have been better.  But, If I start thinking more, maybe it should go at the end?

          My point is can you imagine how painful it is to go through every sentence and phrase?  I lose my ability to concentrate on the flow of ideas if I think too much at this level.

          To make thinks worse, as I reread this post, some of these sentences are so damn long, I feel like I'm reading Goethe in the original German.  Which used to give me headaches as they pile up all these weird verb inflections at the end to the sentences.  I remember one sentence ran on for like two pages.  It must be genetic as I have some of that heritage in my blood.

          I wish some of these highly skilled English major-like  front-pagers would do community service, on occasion, by teaching us some of their high-brow learning in workshop-seminar like posts,  by taking some post like this where an aspiring author. like myself,  means well,
          and was well received (got on the rec board on a Saturday night, and survived the dead zone into Sunday afternoon) coming back twice!) but didn't quite have the skills to get to the polished level those dang front-pagers  can spin off the top of their heads without even working up a sweat, or any moaning, screaming, or hair-pulling.

          They could use a red pen and show us how a professional editor would mark it up for changes.  That's probably how a lot of them learned how to do it.  

          Whatever, thanks for cheering me up angelajean.

          Oh, as long as I'm ranting and raving and blowing off steam I'm also frustrated that I seem to have painted  myself into a tragic and terrible corner where somehow,  in a way I don't understand,  I've had six of my last seven posts get on the rec board and by some chance accident, or trickery by elfs, they were all substantive and relatively well proof read by my standards.

          So now, I have about a dozen quick "slap and claps" I want to do on trivial topics like Mitt Romney buying Boston Chicken for Thanksgiving dinner instead of having the big family celebration, but can't for fear I look trivial or silly.  

          Dang, this one of the reasons why I set up this silly anonymous HoundDog UID in the first place.  To escape my vain and perfectionist personality compulsions. Maybe I have to set up a "double super secret anonymous account someplace else" to satisfy my compulsion to just quickly take a few paragraphs from funny and amusing articles and put a quick "hook" opening paragraph, and closing kicker at the end.  I could do this dozens of times all day long and be happier.  

          But, now I may have ruined my reputation by making pretensions of being a serious writer that I actually don't have the skills to pull off without more agony, trauma, and spell checking than should be entailed in a recreational hobby.  If I like doing this kind of stuff I'd get a job and get paid for it.

          Whatever... thanks for listening Angelajean, I feel much better now, that someone knows how much suffering I've been enduring.  

           

          The means is the ends in the process of becoming. - Mahatma Gandhi

          by HoundDog on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 12:04:05 PM PST

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          •  The front pagers, as much as I like them, (0+ / 0-)

            are not the only ones who see their work before it publishes. Someone else helps edit. But one of the joys of blogs is that the writer of the blog can use their own voice and that's part of what people reading are actually attracted to. You can over edit a piece. For example, the sentence before this one ends in a preposition. That's a big no-no in written grammar. But in spoken? No one notices. And many blogs are written like we speak. That's why some of your sentences might sound long to you. But I bet they don't sound long to everyone.

            Listen, I'm not a trained editor but I do have an English Lit background. If you ever want me to read your stuff before you publish, let me know. angelajean 4 progress at gmail . com

            You get on the Rec list enough that you're doing something right. It isn't just the subject matter... it's the way you engage the reader.

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            by angelajean on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 12:58:00 PM PST

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