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  •  great diary, This old man! (2+ / 0-)
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    This old man, kurt

    I loved your phrase "the bitch-box"
    that probably helped keep you guys and gals sane:)

    yeah the "bitch-box" lives on.....
    that's close to what some people call Apple's Siri, lol.

    even though i have never served, i feel exactly like you do about mercenaries in the military.
    just an opening for corruption and cronyism, imo.

    i also feel that the people who serve in our military never be put in harm's way unless the country is truly at real risk.
    there should be a way to hold presidents and congress accountable for "preventive" wars as General Clark called Iraq.

    and the evil bobsey twins - rumsfeld/cheney are grotesque :(

    you are up to the moment in what makes sense to me.
    although, what do i know, i'm pushing not too far from 70, lol.

    Finally people have gotten sick and tired of being had and taken for idiots. Mikhail Gorbachev

    by eve on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 04:03:58 PM PST

    •  Thanks for the complement. (2+ / 0-)
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      eve, kurt

      I was riding the bus last week and overheard the conversation between  two ladies in the seat ahead of me.  They were talking about the National Debt.  They had been listing to FOX news and one said to the other, “You know, maybe we really can’t afford to be a superpower anymore.”
      Makes one ponder.

      •  lol, re: (2+ / 0-)
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        This old man, kurt

        2 FOX news listeners saying:
        “You know, maybe we really can’t afford to be a superpower anymore.”

        maybe, indeed.

        trumpeting delusions of triumphalism or exceptional-ism may have won irresponsible people elections but they have been very costly to the lives of the people who serve and indigenous peoples who are also victims of unnecessary wars.

        One thing I'm quite happy about wrt President Obama is that he seems quite accepting of the democratic movements that hopefully will succeed around the world and he doesn't seem interested in keeping oppressive dictators who are easily bribed by multinational companies willing to help them line their own pockets.

        I think that this dynamic of the last 50 or 60 years has been responsible of the abuse of average people in energy rich countries and for the terrible abuse of the people who serve this country.
        I am always glad to see General Clark supporting progressive veterans who run for office. I hope that when enough progressive veterans are in the congress that will put a damper on this dynamic.

        Do you believe that the draft should be brought back, so that the country pays more attention to the impossible demands put on people who serve?

         

        Finally people have gotten sick and tired of being had and taken for idiots. Mikhail Gorbachev

        by eve on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 07:34:50 PM PST

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        •  Well, let me see. (2+ / 0-)
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          kurt, eve

           I did not think too much about Vietnam because I was working 12 to 14 hrs. a day in Okinawa.  I went to Nam , tdy for 7 days and ran into an old Army buddy who floored me when he said he’d sent he son to Canada.  He was one of the most gung-ho guys I knew.   When he told me how rotten and corrupt the Vietnam Government was, I had a hard time believing him.  I wondered WTF we were doing there.  I soon became extremely anti - Vietnam.   If there were no draft, we might still be there.  If we had a draft for the aggressive current wars that should never have happened, they would have ended a lot sooner.   I have been called a traitor for referring to the Iraq war as a war of Aggression.   We could have punished Afghanistan for 9/11 without putting troops on the ground.   Just some thoughts Eve from a crankey old man.            

          •  you're not cranky (1+ / 0-)
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            This old man

            I'm the one who comes off shrill getting on my high horse.

            Iraq was a war of aggression.

            if you get called a traitor for telling the truth, then the Constitution is not worth the paper (parchment?) it's printed on.
            You're the bedrock of democracy from what I can tell.
            thanks for telling the story and being a sweet guy,
            in spite of what you've been put through.

            I know my husband would agree with you too plus my kids.
            and grandkids.

            Finally people have gotten sick and tired of being had and taken for idiots. Mikhail Gorbachev

            by eve on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 07:02:42 AM PST

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