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  •  It isn't likely to make even a dent. (6+ / 0-)

    So it makes us feel good, but it doesn't really change anything.  Philanthropic means of debt cancelling has always been available, it just wasn't articulated in these terms.  

    In Roviet Union, money spends YOU!

    by Troubadour on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 03:51:57 AM PST

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    •  No, it's not intended to. It's to shine a light on (9+ / 0-)

      a relatively unknown aspect of debt and how debt is the basis of our current economy.

    •  I don't agree. At all. (15+ / 0-)

      The solution to this particular problem (debt) does not lie in one overwhelming event or movement that solves the problem or even touches the ROOT of the problem. It is a complex problem that will take many citizen actions and significant legislative actions to change, and it will take a change in our cultural zeitgeist as well, to push those changes. That is what Rolling Jubilee starts to do - change the cultural zeitgeist and get citizens involved.

      This is a piece of activism that brings to light a fact of our financial structure that most people - even people with debt - don't understand or even realize exists.

      The financial sector of our economy is vast, it is complex, and it is intended to confuse and exclude ordinary people. So when ordinary people get involved, it is powerful and profound. I know that I understand the whole system of creating and commodifying debt a lot better. It helps some people and hurts no-one.

      Why would you decry giving to the Red Cross to help with earthquake survivors if the money doesn't go to solving the problems of earthquakes? That doesn't make sense to me. Rolling Jubilee gives relief to some people, but what it does is much, much larger than that.

      I do agree with your premise that involvement with political process is key, but Occupy was never that. It never claimed to be. It was a massive movement that brought people together precisely because IT WAS NOT A POLITICAL MOVEMENT. That isn't to say that those involved in Occupy who are interested in a political movement shouldn't become involved.

      So, do you have some ideas about taking the energy of Occupy and building a lasting political movement without deriding "hippies" and "wiggly fingers?"

    •  You gotta start somewhere. (0+ / 0-)

      Folks are doing this in their spare time with little infrastructure and no compensation, so what if it's not innovative? People are being helped. Seems like you have an axe to grind here because something that I presume you're not a part of isn't living up to your expectations of what it should be. Monday morning quarterbacking at its finest.

    •  It doesn't need to. It doesn't claim to. (1+ / 0-)
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      It is, as with the earlier occupations and the 1%/99% message, intended to draw attention to serious inequities and flaws in the current system. A whooooole lot more people need to pay a whoooooole lot more attention before you have even the small seeds of the kind of movement that is needed to create significant (let alone major) change. Where OWS has been most effective is in drawing that kind of attention. Don't criticise them for it - embrace it, encourage it, and help dream up more creative ways to draw more attention.

      "...you can’t find any oxygen from outside the aircraft to get in the aircraft, because the windows don’t open. I don’t know why they don’t do that. It’s a real problem." Mitt Romney

      by Catte Nappe on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 10:46:50 AM PST

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