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  •  Interesting diary, good discussion (2+ / 0-)
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    to start, though the comparison of Occupy to the Tea Party movement makes me batty.

    I know that's not the way you intend it, but the Occupy-is-a-failed-progressive-version-of-the-Tea-Party canard has been trotted-out with trollish intentions. It's a bad case of false equivalence.

    For one, if the Tea Party started out as a grassroots movement, it was co-opted by the corporatocracy very early in its existence. Occupy, to my knowledge, has always been strictly grassroots. For another, whatever its primary backing, the Tea Party is clearly an ideological outgrowth of a well-funded and powerful RW takeover strategy that has been decades in the making. Ideologically speaking, Occupy can't claim such a heritage. Finally, there have been a lot of knives out for Occupy, a lot of interests bent on its destruction, since its formation. These have included the corporate media and the police. To my knowledge, the Tea Party has only been coddled by these official arms of the culture.

    In general, please don't pronounce Occupy "failed" because it's embraced some tactics you question. We have quite enough people doing that.

    Regarding Occupy, we're in a lull. But I don't believe we've seen the final act. While I wouldn't go quite that far, we've had people credit Occupy with the recent electoral victory of the Democrats, because they changed the national rhetoric on income inequality. More will follow.

    It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

    by karmsy on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 07:58:40 AM PST

    •  Please understand, my comparisons with the Teahadi (4+ / 0-)
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      are not moral or even structural equivalencies, but two cases in which processes of change occurred via base-level discontent on the left and the right.  The results have been very different for their respective agenda.

      I would like to believe that Occupy can rebuild itself on a more competent, more unified, and more visionary footing than before  The same potential it has almost realized has always existed, but has been like a kind of Holly Grail that is unreachable because the left always subatoages itself before it can cooperate enough to reach it.  But we must always try.  Get the squares on board, folks.  Get rid of every extraneous hippie thing about your movement that doesn't serve a purpose.  Just be ordinary folks from varying backgrounds with one mission as Americans, and to hell with the drum circles, to hell with the assholes in black hockey masks, to hell well with the turtle people.    Be a movement that anyon who isn't already on the other side can see out the window and just spontaneously join without feeling exposed or ridiculous.

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      by Troubadour on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 08:55:27 AM PST

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      •  I believe there's something to (0+ / 0-)

        the accusation of "progressive self-hatred" being a force that undermines Occupy. A progressive friend of mine recounted efforts of a seemingly broad, vigorous progressive coalition that was to insist on a fair vote recount, following the 2000 debacle in Florida. I asked what had ever happened to this coalition. Obviously, nothing ever came of it.

        "They started fighting amongst themselves, and fell all the fuck apart," my friend answered quietly, grimly.

        This is what I mean by "progressive self-hatred." I believe it's a real dynamic. It walks and talks. And it's afoot today.

        Also, the thing about keeping the Occupy movement's appeal broad, not alienating potential sympathizers needlessly. Yes. I agree. The first piece of that is having well-focused goals. The second piece is limiting extraneous, potentially distracting behavior and rhetoric, e.g., Cindy Sheehan calling the belief that Osama Bin Laden had been executed, "stupid."

        This "big tent" approach is indeed the reason I'm a Democrat and haven't defaulted to a smaller 3rd progressive party, e.g. Peace and Freedom. At their best, the Dems do a good job of enfranchising all potential sympathizers (or are at least working on it), and they engage in the self-questioning necessary to advance their aims.

        It's here they got the range/ and the machinery for change/ and it's here they got the spiritual thirst. --Leonard Cohen

        by karmsy on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 11:01:31 AM PST

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