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  •  Reminds me of Trotsky's comment about (5+ / 0-)
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    a2nite, isabelle hayes, se portland, kyril, FG

    U.S. Socialist Party leader Norman Thomas: "Mr. Thomas calls himself a socialist as a result of a misunderstanding."

    If "socialism" means the regulatory welfare state, the U.S has been socialist since 1933.

    If it means the collective ownership of the means of production (Leon's understanding) then it is not and almost certainly never will be.

    •  Or non-state democratic ownership (7+ / 0-)

      There are plenty of modern red states that were once hotbeds of socialism. Middle America has embraced socialist models like rural electric co-ops, small public utilities, and member owned credit unions. It's a form of democratic worker-owned economic activity that could actually gain support in America.
      It's a shame so much of the left only looks to dead Europeans for ideas rather than considering what Americans would support.

    •  How many Trotskyites does it take (2+ / 0-)
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      Q: How many Trotskyites does it take to change a light bulb?

      A: The light bulb can not be changed. It must be DESTROYED!  

      But with humor aside, all modern developed nation are socialist to some degree or another.  Like the polls suggest though, the Red Scare is history. Voters 18 - 21 were not even born yet when the Soviet Union went belly up. So, it is hard to lump in socialist programs, like they have in Europe, with fears of being blown up with atomic bombs these days.

      George Orwell was a socialist as was Jack London. Actually he was pretty radical by today's standards. He supported the Wobblies, and thought labor was being to passive.

      It is possible to read the history of this country as one long struggle to extend the liberties established in our Constitution to everyone in America. - Molly Ivins

      by se portland on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 05:23:42 PM PST

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