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  •  It's ok to accept developing countries to follow (0+ / 0-)

    in our foot steps in building plants that spew pollution, and maybe, eventually put in the scrubbers and other rules the EPA has imposed when it's convenient for them to do so and then jump over land-line/dial-up tech for the newer toys??

    Yes, I totally get that the rest of the world would dearly love to have the toys, electricity, etc that we have.  But, why let countries off the hook for pollution that "we've" learned that is harmful??  Yes, we totally need to get our shit together and reduce our waste and other bullshit.  But, that shouldn't mean we take a blind eye to others taking a dump in their swimming pool like we did.

    •  But have we learned? (5+ / 0-)

      The U.S. is still a massive polluter. The U.S. has the 12th highest per capita carbon emissions in the world http://en.wikipedia.org/... . That's you and me. China is #78. If there were a referendum tomorrow choosing between cutting emissions & cutting economic growth vs. keeping the status quo, the statuo quo would win in a landslide. I don't think we've "learned" anything. Quite to the contrary, we're "teaching" the world how to behave, and the Chinese are the ones who are learning - from us.

      "It is, it seems, politically impossible to organize expenditure on the scale necessary to prove my case -- except in war conditions."--JM Keynes, 1940

      by randomfacts on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 07:56:09 PM PST

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    •  We haven't cleaned up our act (2+ / 0-)
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      radical simplicity, Creosote

      We emit more CO2 than China does.

      Why do we get to keep our toys?

      It's just not right to criticize the speck in China's eye and ignore the beam in our own.

      Republicans: Taking the country back ... to the 19th century

      by yet another liberal on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 08:44:59 PM PST

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