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  •  Thank you for the serious and lengthy reply. (7+ / 0-)

    Your depth of insight and understanding illuminates us all!

    The political and commercial morals of the United States are not merely food for laughter, they are an entire banquet. Mark Twain

    by AWhitneyBrown on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 06:59:58 AM PST

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    •  I'm an atheist who finds the Bible interesting (0+ / 0-)

      Perhaps more accurately I find the Penteteuch interesting

      It can be informative to read it as the history of a new religion. That is interesting to me because its constructed in the same manner the Egyptians used to celebrate their deities, and I take their idea of deities as a lot like Platonic ideals.

      This new religion evolves rather than being created and it owes a lot to earlier common law efforts which for me are documented by the stubborn persistence of the standards of measure used to define property.

      The ruler rules, the lugal (sumerian lu = man; gal = big) is made legal and then regal. (There may be some linkage to the large and in charge big nurse that goes back to Catal Hyuk as well.)

      In Egyptian custom the image of the god or goddess or gods and goddesses is carved in stone, the stone is housed in an ark and the ark placed in a sanctuary.

      If you look at the rock in the box the Sons of Israel carried around in their ark its the ten commandments. That's the image of the written law carved in stone. Its considered to be sovereign over all the other gods including the spoken word of the Pharoah.

      I see that part of the Bible as a lawbook transitioning from the common law of precedent to Mosaic Law with a consensus to be law abiding based on the doing of what is right and proper.

      In essence we have the wisdom of Solomon's Asherah combined with the power of the Mosaic law to give birth to justice and judges as competent administrators in a place Moses never gets to.

      The story of Adam and Eve deals with the rights of tenants and landlords in terms of might makes right.

      The story of Abram/Abraham and Sarai/Sarah begins to think about fairness as it deals with the rights of inheritance for the offspring of a first sister wife who goes with other men as compared to the offspring of a second wife or handmaiden.

      Abraham, Moses and Joseph are datable by the historic context of a number of campaigns against Kadesh spanning half a millenia  to a period when Egypt corresponds with Cannan in semitic akkadian in the Amarna letters.

      Canaan is considered an evil lawless place where the only real law is force of arms by bandit, king or rebel. At one end you have the proto-sharia eye for an eye law of Ha m mu rabbi (the great rabbi) and at the other the Hotep of Egypt defined as the doing of what is right and proper.

      Sarai/Sarah share the semitic triliteral root with Shariah law while Hagar equates to Hathor the goddess of Afroasiatic Hotep, the law viewed as the feather of Ma'at which is placed in the scales to balance the truth against the doing to determine what is right and proper. (Ha is the semitic definitive article) The Phoenician equivalent is Ashera, western semitic Sheba, Greek Hera.

      Abraham brings the connection of  the concept of common law as it exists in in Babylon and Thebes  into Canaan in the form of compacts or treaties with the powers that be.

      The essence of the natural philosophy involved requires a consensus of all the essential powers,  earth, air, water and fire.

      These are El shaddai, (Shamsi Adad of Mari, lord of the land in the time of Rim Sin) Yahwah, the power of the storm, east wind or air, Gk Zepherus west wind) El Roi, Hagars power of the well or water which saves her, and Moloch, the power of fire through which Abraham prepares to pass his first born on the slopes of Mt Moriah on the border of what is then Moab.

      Now the story broadens to include the asiatic part of this indo European - afro asiatic movement toward a consensus to be law abiding.

      In the 18th Dynasty Thebes had a series of Red Sea ports where Hatshepset kept a fleet for the mortuary trade bringing frankincense and myhr across the Red Sea in exchange for Nub or Egyptian gold from Nubia..

      The Exodus from Egypt crosses the Red Sea from Elim (modern Quasir in Egypt to Elat at the head of the Gulf of Aqaba where Horab (the mountain of God) is literally in the middle between Midian, Egypt, Edom, Rephidim, and the kingdoms of Canaan. The encampment prior to departure is at Pi Ha Haroth a migdol or high place facing Baal Zephon.

      To get a true picture of this consider that at  the time of the Exodus the capitol of Egypt was at Thebes and Thebes primary industry was the maintenance of the mortuary temples at Karnak which was dependent of the trade in linen, bitumen, natron, Frankincense, Myhr, Juniper berries and other mummification essentials which were brought across the Red Sea in exchange for Nub or gold from Nubia. There is only one place where all of these elements are brought together as required by the story.

      In one of these mortuary temples of Karnak, in a tomb called Succoth (Egyptian for dark place) rested the bones of Joseph which the sons of Israel took with them.

      In Greek times Egypts Red Sea ports included Philidelphia, a  temple of (Phoenician) Baal sacred to the west wind(Greek Zepherus).

      This continued the tradition of Pi ha Haroth the temple of Baals consort Hathor or Ashera, which had as an oracle the mouth of the law [Hotep] who spoke thoth (truth) or wisdom in the form of  delphic auguries.

      Stories ranging from the Tale of the Shipwrecked Sailor dated to the 12th Dynasty to the Periplus of the Erythrian Sea written in Greek times describe how traders engaged in Karnaks mortuary trade across the Red Sea between Egyptian Elim (El plural feminine) and  Phoenician Semitic Elath at the head of the gulf of Aqaba.

      Both Elim and  Eloth, Eliat, (El plural feminine) were  part of the chain of Aphrodite, a series of wooded oasis or sacred groves (teraphim) in which grow large sturdy trees large enough to use as masts.

      To make a long story short to begin with the power who controlled the water controlled the land.

      In a time when the most important waters were contained in a uterus there was matriarchy. As the most important waters became those which fertilized crops or carried international trade patriarchs came to rule.

      The story of the parting of the waters in Mosaic times or at least the part of it I'm interested in documents the beginning of record keeping.

      Record keeping  for purposes of maintaining law and order began with standards of measure with which to measure weigh and judge.

      A desire to build consensus by means of a compact to be law abiding gradually evolved all the necessary infrastructure of administration.

      Eventually that developing into a need for competent administers, scribes, judges, and other politicians to be able to agree on what the standards were.

      Live Free or Die --- Investigate, Incarcerate

      by rktect on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 06:03:18 AM PST

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