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  •  Treason in the Constitution is small t (9+ / 0-)

    Except for the first mention in Article III, sec. 2 where it begins a sentence, it is referred to in print copies as 'treason':

    ..... No person shall be convicted of treason unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
    The Congress shall have power to declare the punishment of treason, but no attainder of treason shall work corruption of blood, or forfeiture except during the life of the person attainted.
    Adam B. has specifically asked that the word be used as the Constitution intended.  

    Betrayal is an excellent word for what you mean....

    "Are you bluish? You don't look bluish," attributed to poet Roger Joseph McGough, for the Beatles' Yellow Submarine (1968).

    by BlueStateRedhead on Sun Dec 02, 2012 at 08:53:16 PM PST

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    •  How about "sedition"? (6+ / 0-)

      Sedition:

      1.     speech or behavior directed against the peace of a state

      2.     an offense that tends to undermine the authority of a state

      3.    an incitement to public disorder

      4.    revolt (archaic)

      (Collins English Dictionary)

      Anyway, thank you for your thoughts, Jon.  It's a weird and disturbing time, for sure.

      •  It has an unhappy history, Alien+sed. Act (1+ / 0-)
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        I am not sure if it remains in use since.  IANAL. I wish Adam B would make this a matter of settled site procedure. OK or No go to use Treason loosely?

        "Are you bluish? You don't look bluish," attributed to poet Roger Joseph McGough, for the Beatles' Yellow Submarine (1968).

        by BlueStateRedhead on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 03:53:52 AM PST

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      •  Sedition is what I am inclined to say (3+ / 0-)
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        These are clearly acts that are intended to destroy the lawful functioning of our government.  Clearly, what the Republican Party has been doing for the last four years is unAmerican and definitely against the best interests of this nation.  The Republicans in Congress have placed their party above the good of our country.  As per the Wikipedia definition of sedition:

        In law, sedition is overt conduct, such as speech and organization, that is deemed by the legal authority to tend toward insurrection against the established order. Sedition often includes subversion of a constitution and incitement of discontent (or resistance) to lawful authority.

        "Growing up is for those who don't have the guts not to. Grow wise, grow loving, grow compassionate, but why grow up?" - Fiddlegirl

        by gulfgal98 on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 06:38:17 AM PST

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        •  Very thoughtful, just the kind of reasoning.... (1+ / 0-)
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          ....treason is not getting. I am just not in a position to say go/no go on sedition. I can on treason because I asked Adam B.

          "Are you bluish? You don't look bluish," attributed to poet Roger Joseph McGough, for the Beatles' Yellow Submarine (1968).

          by BlueStateRedhead on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 06:45:03 AM PST

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          •  Whatever we call their crime (2+ / 0-)

            They should be treated as terrorists and punished accordingly.

            "Political ends as sad remains will die." - YES 'And You and I' ; -8.88, -9.54

            by US Blues on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 06:50:06 AM PST

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          •  Its not sedition either..for the same reasons (0+ / 0-)

            Because we dislike someone's position on something does not make it ILLEGAL, even in a minor way much less in a grandiose form all dolled up with terms like Treason and Sedition being thrown around.

            This is the same logic they use to say that taxing job creators goes against the founding laws about private property and is therefore a breach of the oath of office.

            Its the same as saying that separation of church and state is equivalent of tyrannical oppression.

            Its the same as saying that proposing cuts to the dept of defense is an overt attempt to demonstrably weaken the US and is therefore treasonous.

            And the last major movement in this country that labeled as Sedition was the civil rights movement.  So if that counts as sedition that sign me up as a Seditionist.

            The point is that all of these things (this diary included) are overblown hyperbole that do naught but cheapen real terms with real meanings; much as has been done with Terrorism, War, Hero and Patriot.

            Красота спасет мир --F. Dostoevsky

            by Wisper on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 07:18:25 AM PST

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