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  •  Though on Mad Men (0+ / 0-)

    the black characters seem to be fully realized people, fully aware of their circumscribed roles in a society still full of racism. Granted, the show isn't focused on any of them, but they're not cartoons the way they are in, say Hell on Wheels.

    into the blue again, after the money's gone

    by Prof Haley on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 02:54:50 PM PST

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    •  What black characters on Mad Men? (1+ / 0-)
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      "It strikes me as gruesome and comical that in our culture we have an expectation that a man can always solve his problems" - Kurt Vonnegut

      by jazzence on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 04:30:11 PM PST

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      •  None are in the foreground (0+ / 0-)

        As early as season 1 we have Hollis the elevator operator and Carla, the Drapers' nanny. Later we get Dawn, Don's secretary. There's also Paul Kinsey's girlfriend, who dumps him while they're in the South working for civil rights. In fact, the very first scene of the first episode shows Don asking a rather elderly busboy how he chooses what cigarettes to buy. These are not large parts [Carla has the most screen time], but they're not thoughtless throw-aways either.

        into the blue again, after the money's gone

        by Prof Haley on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 05:04:35 PM PST

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        •  the street robber too (1+ / 0-)
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          mad men. that is the point of the first few seasons and it was done so smartly. now, they have to step up. given what was going on with ad agencies and the "discovery" of black consumers I thought for sure they would have had some storyline about a need to diversity in terms of sales. that would be historically accurate.

          the joke about Pepsi, the discussion about what types of TVs d "negroes buy" and the other allusions to Jim Crow were hints.

          who knows where they are going?

          •  Mad Men will end before any black characters (2+ / 0-)
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            are given substantial roles. Guarantee it. My point in bringing up Mad Men is not that the show is racist or insensitive - I think the show is a very clever way for AMC to fulfill its demographic needs w/o having to worry about diversity. The point is it's not a coincidence that a channel known for westerns and dirty harry marathons has invested in original programming that overtly focus on white male authority and ultimately glorifies it.

            If I knew it was going to be that kind of party, I'd have stuck my ---- in the mashed potatoes! - Paul's Boutique

            by DoctorWho on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 07:30:37 PM PST

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            •  Dunno about "ultimately" (0+ / 0-)

              I predict in the end Don will fall and Peggy will rise. But even if they remain peripheral, race is a subject in 1968.

              We left off late March '67. Will we pick up before April '68, or after November?

              into the blue again, after the money's gone

              by Prof Haley on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 08:04:40 PM PST

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      •  walking dead is by design a meditation on (0+ / 0-)

        whiteness where black people are peripheral. i was hoping that would change as their world becomes more complicated this past season. alas, they dropped the ball for the most part.

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