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  •  I was not a big Hillary Clinton fan in 2008, (13+ / 0-)

    in part because of Iraq and in part because of Bill's move to the right in the late 90s (as well as NAFTA).  (The late 90s was in part a reaction to the R control of Congress).

    That said, Hillary is a Democrat and I am willing to keep an open mind about 2016.  Three or even four Dem terms could change the supreme court and many othe rinsitutions, even if Hillary is not as left as I prefer.  I think she can win, and that matters a lot.

    So I do not agree with these sort of atacks at this time.

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    by TomP on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 02:15:52 PM PST

    •  at this time? (1+ / 0-)
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      4 years hence?

    •  Crazy comment. Hillary is much more to the (0+ / 0-)

      left than Obama. Everyone try's to pigeon hole her with Bill's philosophy.

      •  That may be true, but only because (2+ / 0-)
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        Obama is so much farther to the right than most folks thought when he was running for president.

        Quite frankly, I think the differences between the two aren't all that great.

      •  based on 2007-08, depends on the issue (2+ / 0-)
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        At this point, I hope she'd be to Obama's left on executive power questions.

      •  Not on foreign policy, at least not in 07 and 08. (1+ / 0-)
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        I agree it is a bit unfair to blame her for some of Bill's policies, although if she takes the good stuff he did, she also gets the bad.  It's an unusual situation in that they campaigned in 92 as two for the price of one.  

        In 07 and 08, she campaigned to the right of Obama often.  I do not see her as more left than Obama.  She may have been more realsitic about compromise with teh Rs, but Obama is there now.

        In 07 and 08, I did not see big differences between Obaam and Clinton on most issues.  I was expalining why I was more crticial of Clinton during that period. It may or may not have been unfair on my part, but it was my thinking at the time.  I supported Edwards and then was neutral from Feb to mid-April and endorsed Obama.      

        Like I said, I am keeping an open mind on Hillary in 2016. not withstanding my oppsoition in 2008.

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        by TomP on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 04:42:48 PM PST

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      •  Bill's "philosophy" wasn't even a philosophy. (0+ / 0-)

        It was a strategy. It was a successful effort to keep the Democratic party alive by bending.
        Thank God or FSM that he did that.
        I'd say that we need to seek a "happy medium" between pragmatic strategic thinking and idealistic, progressive values.
        We don't need litmust tests, or rigid attachments to ideology.
        We just need progress. If we don't have the reins of government, we can make no progress.

        You can't make this stuff up.

        by David54 on Mon Dec 03, 2012 at 06:47:16 PM PST

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      •  Would you care to supply evidence for your asser- (1+ / 0-)
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        IMO, Hilary is a pretty standard corporatist/imperialist Dem ala Bill & Barry.  So, as a Sanders-ballpark progressive, I see no reason to support her if she runs for the nomination.  Rather I see many good reasons to oppose her by supporting any decent candidate more progressive than she, if only to minimize her ability to use Clintonian "triangulation" during campaigning & governing.  Of course, if she wins, I'll vote for her if I'm in a swing state just to oppose the election of whatever troll the R.'s nominate.  But I can't imagine I'd do it with any more enthusiasm than I had when I voted for PBO last month.  Why would I?

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