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  •  Nonsense (1+ / 0-)
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    If you think the Iraq War is going to play a key role in the 2016 presidential race, you could give Dick Morris competition in absurd political punditry.

    •  You deliberately misunderstand (3+ / 0-)
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      slatsg, eglantine, Code Monkey

      all posts up until now have said should pay the price - you chose to substitute would for should.

    •  Dick Morris? Right. (2+ / 0-)
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      Dave the Rave, FutureNow

      I suppose I could compare those who disagree with me to some war mongering pundit, but I choose not to go there.

      Hilary was a lock in 2008 too. She won't get the nomination in 2016. That's a safe bet. Her opportunity passed her by because she placed political expediency above the lives that were lost because of her vote.

      A proud member of the Professional Left since 1967.

      by slatsg on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 05:02:16 PM PST

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      •  I supported Obama in 2008 (2+ / 0-)
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        YucatanMan, slatsg

        though I have always admired Hillary, I thought Obama was our strongest candidate in 2008. I supported him from the beginning. Want proof? Here.

        Hillary was never a lock in my eyes. I always thought Obama would win. I have pretty good political instincts.

        If Hillary runs, she wins the nomination in 2016. There will be no Obama-like candidate in the field this time.

        I get that her Iraq War vote is a disqualifying factor for you. There will be other primary voters like you. There just won't be nearly enough of you to stop her.

        •  Yes, regardless of everyone's opinions of her (3+ / 0-)
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          Meteor Blades, slatsg, kj in missouri

          past performance and the DLC connections and most everything else at this time it appears Hillary Clinton would be the strongest candidate in 2016. If nothing changes in the next few years, she'd likely be a lock.

          Meanwhile, let's see how this newly reelected president's term goes. We need to keep pushing him to the Left and working to be sure the old compromise-away stuff doesn't start up again.

          Forecasts about the future tend to be thwarted by fate and the forces of the universe.  There are plenty of surprises which will jump up between now and two or three years from now.

          No reason for us to fight amongst ourselves about something which may or may not happen, but it is nice to understand how everyone sees the situation.

          "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

          by YucatanMan on Tue Dec 04, 2012 at 10:16:35 PM PST

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          •  Indeed, feet to the fire. This time there ... (3+ / 0-)
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            slatsg, kj in missouri, AoT

            ...should be no complaints about that or our urging of the use of the bully pulpit (which Obama has doing quite effectively).  

            Don't tell me what you believe, show me what you do and I will tell you what you believe.

            by Meteor Blades on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 12:18:12 AM PST

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