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  •  no, he cannot (1+ / 0-)
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    per statute of second degree murder in Florida.  

    i actually think this is pretty simple, lawyers for defense notwithstanding.  why would one (GZ) pursue an individual (TM) if in fear for his (GZ's) physical safety?  why ignore stand down orders?

    really can't have it both ways.  

    Zimmerman pursued Trayvon  Martin (despite being told by 911 dispatch to stop).  if he feared for his life, does this seem reasonable?

    •  Avila - there were no "stand down orders" (1+ / 0-)
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      See my posts in this thread.

      "let's talk about that"

      by VClib on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 08:04:07 AM PST

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      •  VC, i take your point (1+ / 0-)
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        ultimately, the jury will have to decide on whether or not the following is a reasonable course of action, weighed against claim of self defense.

        After discussing his location with the dispatcher, Zimmerman exclaimed, "Shit, he's running," and the following sounds suggest he left his vehicle to run after Martin.

        "Are you following him?" the dispatcher asked. Zimmerman replied: "Yep."

        "Okay, we don't need you to do that," the dispatcher warned.

        Several minutes later, according to other callers to 911 in the neighborhood, Zimmerman and Martin got into a wrestling match on the ground. One of the pair could be heard screaming for help. Then a single shot rang out, and Martin lay dead.  Source: Mother Jones

        now, the "we don't need you to do that" is not, by legal definition, a stand down order, but more cop parlance.  (i hear that phrase from my husband and his coworkers, but let's remember, Zimmerman called 911 frequently, and acting as neighborhood watch, although likely self appointed. unless one wants to argue the "no" was ambiguous, or subject to misunderstanding, et cetera.)

        the bigger picture is how Zimmerman's course of action is seen by a jury.  will they feel the above is reasonable?  

        •  Avila - the important thing is that there will be (1+ / 0-)
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          a trial and all the facts will be presented to a jury. I don't know how much the pre-confrontation facts will influence the jury and how much of it will be admissible. The challenge for the prosecution is what happened when Z and T actually confronted each other? Only one person knows the answer to that, and he isn't testifying.

          "let's talk about that"

          by VClib on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 01:16:33 PM PST

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