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  •  I grew up in Northern KY (29+ / 0-)

    But just a few dozen miles down the river and then up the ridge is a very similar area to what you highlight here.

    Uneducated, yes.  Racist, oh yeah, many are racist.  

    But there are two other traits that keeps these sort of areas voting R and will for a long time.

    These people have a lot of pride.  They know life isn't great.  There isn't much in the way of culture beyond The Burger King in town twelve miles away.  They worry like heck about their maniac sons every Saturday night because there isn't anything to do other than drink and those roads are twisty, narrow, unlit and bordered by trees.  BUT they grew up here, are "good Christian people" and dammit, that's fine enough for them and their kids.  So git yur city-slicker Prius out of here!

    Linked to their pride is a stubbornness nobody can believe.  Many of these people liked GWBush because he was just like them!  "Dammit, that's what I believe, I don't care that the data says otherwise, that's what I believe and I'm stickin' to it!"  There's no reasoning with these folks; they aren't stupid.  Just prideful and stubborn.
     

    I'm a mushroom. Kept in the dark and fed....you know

    by The Voice from the Cave on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 06:37:47 AM PST

    •  so (12+ / 0-)

      So how do we speak to this?  How do we take this pride and make them see that Democratic values are American values, and the Republicans are taking them to the cleaners?

      You have a great insight, I'm just wondering how we can use it to make these people see how to make their lives better.

      •  Patience, and drinking (9+ / 0-)

        I'm not joking.  I don't bother trying to educate anyone from there anymore that I communicate with on Facebook.  I'm pretty quiet when I go "home."  Just sit in the Olde Fort Pub, swig Budweiser and ask, "So, how is that (being a Republican) working out for you?"  

        They have to find the solution themselves.  

        I'm a mushroom. Kept in the dark and fed....you know

        by The Voice from the Cave on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 08:40:10 AM PST

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        •  They need their mental frame to crash. (4+ / 0-)

          Everything, even clearly contradictory information, gets crammed into the pre-existing framework, and it's very difficult to change that until the whole frame comes crashing down during acute personal tragedy or betrayal, or a generational shift with a new frame. I'd guess the latter is the best hope for changing large swaths of population, focus on the young people and get them educated before they are trapped.

          Of course, we all do the same thing to some extent.

      •  Lived in ky a very long time (3+ / 0-)
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        Born in central KY and now live in blue louisville.  We don't need to concentrate on this type of person (the religious idiots).  It would be a waste of time compared to other areas where we can [place our efforts.  We need to use our GOTV mechanisms in KY.  McConnell only won KY by a bit more than 100k votes (He ran against putrid former Republican Lunsford for whom even I did not vote; figured we'd never get rid of him if he won and that we can get McConnell this time with a real Dem).  Anyway, we need to register the Latino vote and get the rest of the vote out in Louisville, Lexington.   This has to start now.  I have  n adopted little brother who is a Centre grad, speaks fluent Spanish and has agreed to go with me to every Mexican restaurant in the state to work on the registration drive.  Can anyone point me in the direction of an organization that I can coordinate my efforts with, please?

        •  I meant to include that (2+ / 0-)
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          my littlee brother is Latino, born in Guatamala BTW.

        •  I live outside Lexington. There are several (0+ / 0-)

          Kossacks that live in KY.  Perhaps we should start a Kentucky Kos?   Work exactly towards that - registering and turning out the vote in the Louisville to Lexington corridor and environs?

          I volunteered to my local county Dem org, and they didn't do much.

          I'm an import from Chicago, I've been here 18 years or so.

          "Privatize to Profitize" explains every single Republican economic, social and governing philosophy. Take every taxpayer dollar from defense, education, health care, public lands, retirement - privatize it, and profit from it.

          by mumtaznepal on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 02:43:53 PM PST

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          •  That would be good. How would we get organized (0+ / 0-)

            or attach to an existing org?

            •  We could do it on our own, I guess (have to check (0+ / 0-)

              voter registration laws), or attach to MoveOn, or OFA, or KY Dem party

              OFA might be a good deal?  Infrastructure already exists, and OFA members.

              "Privatize to Profitize" explains every single Republican economic, social and governing philosophy. Take every taxpayer dollar from defense, education, health care, public lands, retirement - privatize it, and profit from it.

              by mumtaznepal on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 08:41:46 AM PST

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    •  I grew up in Northern Kentucky (21+ / 0-)

      Campbell County - small family farm ten minutes from Cincinnati's Fountain Square.  Good Catholic education (Liberal Social Gospel - the Beatitudes and Notre Dame nuns who were loving and never abusive to me).  Elementary & High School (small Catholic parish school with nuns from Germany/Belgium/the Netherlands - it was their mission).  My education was excellent and I learned much compassion for the poor, the sick, children and others in need.

      But Nortern KY, including my siblings, was/were  emotionally incestuous.  When I joined the USAF, I left - never looking back.  My siblings were ruthless, judgemental and hated the fact that I was gay and serving in the Air Force very successfully.  They rejected me.  I haven't had the slightest contact with all four of them since 1978.  I created my own families when I was younger.  I have a son, daughter-in-law and grandchildren whom I love.  They live near me here in the Tampa area.  Staying in Northern Kentucky was not an option for me.

      PEACE

    •  GWB was 'just like them'? (1+ / 0-)
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      Silver spoon, Connecticutt-born, Harvard-educated, country-club pseudo Texan?

      Breaks my heart, that they believed that lie.

      "The ignorant mind, with its infinite afflictions, passions, and evils, is rooted in the three poisons. Greed, anger, and delusion." - Bodhidharma

      by hopesprings on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 12:19:38 PM PST

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