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  •  Uh... I think they've already been kicked (12+ / 0-)

    about as far down in the gutter as they can go.

    You've got nothing else to punish them with... as far as lack of economic opportunity goes.

    They're so far down that the only thing they see as a hope for something better is Jesus taking them to the promised land in their next life.

    So they hold tight to that fundamentalism with all they got.

    Their todays are foreclosed by their hopey-wishey stockpiling for some magical decent future.


    One may live without bread, but not without roses.
    ~Jean Richepin
    Bread & Roses

    by bronte17 on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 07:33:04 AM PST

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    •  In very real terms, though (7+ / 0-)

      if federal and state benefits were cut in these counties people would either leave, or die. Just like in places like India where large areas of poverty have little in the way of social services.

      Yes, they can do down farther than this. I hope they don't have to.

      •  eesh... the Appalachia Mountains and its people (1+ / 0-)
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        have been there for hundreds of years... and the First Americans (with whom they married and had children) have been there for hundreds if not thousands of years. They survived just fine.

        Self-sufficiency from the land is not a sickness nor a disease.

        And even NYC and Boston at one time had raw sewage running in their streets. So, hick redneck outhouses do serve a purpose, but sanitary sewers are far better. It's just that the infrastructure fails too often in rural areas.  And NYC loaded up freight cars and shipped off its hungry orphans to farmland in the Midwest (and to abuse). So, we need not be sniffing down our noses here about people.

        The problem in rural Eastern Kentucky is the discrepancy in resources and yet everyone lumps them all together. If I'm not mistaken, these 3 counties actually don't have the "wealth" of the coal that Pike County, Johnson County, Martin County, etc... have.

        These 3 counties are tucked into Appalachia and yet have no viable resourceful means of production for their people... except Whitley County (Corbin) down there right next to Tennessee and the wildlands. Whitley County/Whitley City is probably the most vilely corrupt county in the entire US.

        Wolfe County only has 7,000 people in it while Owsley County has 4,700.  Not too many people there, so it appears the citizens have already left for greener pastures anyway.


        One may live without bread, but not without roses.
        ~Jean Richepin
        Bread & Roses

        by bronte17 on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 11:36:07 AM PST

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        •  Uhm, you cannot possibly be serious (0+ / 0-)

          comparing the current applachian poverty situation to established pre-columbian native american societies? Really?

          Wow.

          •  It was a segue... not a comparison (0+ / 0-)

            I have a Cherokee great-grandmother and a Scot-Irish grandmother. On one side... from the mountains of Appalachia. So, I am acutely aware of the shadows and valleys and nature and cultures within that realm.

            And we've traced our genealogy waaaayyy back hundreds of years. Not too hard to do with the mountain people.  

            As for the poverty, I believe my point was that grinding an axe on poverty is in the eye of the beholder... when cultural stereotypes are leveraged as a complaint against poverty. That's not kosher.


            One may live without bread, but not without roses.
            ~Jean Richepin
            Bread & Roses

            by bronte17 on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 05:22:57 PM PST

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    •  Recall Obama's religion and guns comment? Your (6+ / 0-)

      comment reminded me of it. Of the way he really meant it, of the way he had said it earlier (like here in 2004)
      You wrote

      They're so far down that the only thing they see as a hope for something better is Jesus taking them to the promised land in their next life.
      So they hold tight to that fundamentalism with all they got.
      He was answering a question from some people headed to volunteer in PA. All the promises not kept over the last decades (by both parties) as things got worse around them. They didn't trust pretty campaign promises anymore. They've lost so much except their traditions... going to church with grandma, hunting with grandpa and dad and they carry those on and they mean all the more being what is left to cling to. Maybe goes here too, old traditions are what they have now. And like Obama told volunteers especially when things are hard you get more suspicious of not just politicians but those you see as very different from yourself.

      We call it fundamentalism and bigotry. Obama sees it more kindly.

      •  Fundamentalism at its core makes the promises (1+ / 0-)
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        for a golden future... in the great beyond or whatever you call it... as a redemption for those who are disempowered and cruelly suffering in this current life.

        At its core, that's what all the fundamentalist religiosity promises. It keeps people from working toward a better life for today and tomorrow in the here and now.


        One may live without bread, but not without roses.
        ~Jean Richepin
        Bread & Roses

        by bronte17 on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 11:43:27 AM PST

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        •  That's why fundamentalism works. There is (3+ / 0-)
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          no hope for one's current hard life.  This is it.  The afterlife will be better.  Suffer here, now, you will be rewarded one day.

          It's a coping mechanism for not giving up hope when you are hungry and poor and have nothing.

          "Privatize to Profitize" explains every single Republican economic, social and governing philosophy. Take every taxpayer dollar from defense, education, health care, public lands, retirement - privatize it, and profit from it.

          by mumtaznepal on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 02:37:56 PM PST

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        •  Perhaps, but... (0+ / 0-)
          It keeps people from working toward a better life for today and tomorrow in the here and now.
          Perhaps. But it also comforts those who have no ability nor resources to work for a better life.
          •  Comfort is a cold wet blanket (0+ / 0-)

            Afflicting that comfort is what you want to do... get people out of their suffering "comfort zone" and make them alter the realities of the causes of their suffering.

            And, yes, I know that people who are suffering need the comfort. But, do you just let them stay and suffer inside that zone?


            One may live without bread, but not without roses.
            ~Jean Richepin
            Bread & Roses

            by bronte17 on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 05:10:45 PM PST

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    •  My question was (0+ / 0-)

      ...what, exactly, do they think Barack Obama is going to do to them that will make their lives worse?

      Oh yeah.  Take away all their guns (still waiting on that one.)
      Medical death panels (because the health care system they have right now is 'the best in the world'.)  Prevent them from becoming "Job Creators".

      And then there's that Kenyan Muslim thing...

      So sad.  So sad that the Rush Limbaughs of the world brainwash these people into keeping themselves at the bottom of the economic scale.

      "The ignorant mind, with its infinite afflictions, passions, and evils, is rooted in the three poisons. Greed, anger, and delusion." - Bodhidharma

      by hopesprings on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 12:16:15 PM PST

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      •  Rush doesn't keep them at the bottom (1+ / 0-)
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        King Coal and the extractive gas industry keeps them there. And the greedy shallow "elites" amongst them who betray their trust.

        And the state of Kentucky itself is at fault for not investing in the mountains and its people. Although we Kentucky citizens do spend a lot of money to support the coalfields... we spend more than we receive from the coal.  

        But, the people of the mountains don't get the money... it is spent in support of crumbling roads to move the coal and for the coal industry extraction and research.

        Oh... and we spend some money for Black Lung (the disease is on the rise again because regulations have weakened and the King Coal owners cheat their workers out of safety equipment).


        One may live without bread, but not without roses.
        ~Jean Richepin
        Bread & Roses

        by bronte17 on Wed Dec 05, 2012 at 05:33:58 PM PST

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