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  •  Their ideology is weak. (3+ / 0-)

    They still believe in almost all of science.  They just don't understand that the same rigorous process leading people to understand how to build microwaves and rocketships also rejects their mythology.

    So I don't think there's any danger of them teaching numerology or flat Earth.  They want to learn science just as much as anyone.  They just desire to teach people that where religion conflicts with science, religion supercedes science.

    Instead of the 'correct' way of things.  Science superceding religion, where there are conflicts.

    •  It's authoritarianism, again (0+ / 0-)

      If your child doubts the creation myth, they could question anything else in there.  So no matter how loony their post hoc ergo propter hoc science is, they do it for the children. Because freedom.

    •  Also, it's supersede (1+ / 0-)
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      LilithGardener

      Just came from the language diary.  :). Supersede is the only word that ends in -sede. There are only three words that end in -ceed (including please proceed, governor, also succeed and exceed).  The others end in -cede.

      Do you concede?

    •  Actually, I gave a link to how much science (2+ / 0-)
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      they have to deny to maintain their hallucinations. They can't have quantum mechanics and relativity, because they let the sun shine for billions of years, and they can't have astronomy, because that puts galaxies billions of light years away, and they can't have biology, all of which depends on evolution, and they can't have geology, and so on and on.

      All they have is their notion that Jesus is incompetent to save them unless the Fall is literal history. So, to my mind, they aren't even Christians. (To be fair, ThatIdiotPaul did write, "If Christ be not risen, then our faith is in vain," even though Jesus told people that their faith had saved him before he was crucified.) As conclusively demonstrated by the racism, bigotry, misogyny, and Mammon-worship inherent in Creationism, notably Curse of Ham theology.

      Racism is the specific reason why Young Earth Creationism, particularly Flood Geology, took hold of the South during the Civil Rights movement in the 1960s. You can't tell angry Southern White men that they are descended from Black Africans like the rest of us. They are so angry about that that they won't even say that that is their objection. Instead they go on about descent from "monkeys". Well, we know that Dog Whistle code.

      Darwinism
          The theory (some say "religion") that all humans, including rich White Southern males, are descended from monkeys, that is to say, from Black Africans, even though we know that Adam was White, and Africans are Black because of the curse of Ham.

      America—We built that!

      by Mokurai on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 06:08:45 PM PST

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      •  They don't actually have to deny much. (0+ / 0-)

        They believe in all science, except the parts that are just somehow 'wrong' because it's a lie from Satan.  'Straight from the pit of hell', as someone recently famous might say.

        It's ridiculous, but it goes like this.  The very world around us is so broken.  So corrupt.  So vile with Sin that our senses, our scientific ways of knowing...  Are fundamentally corrupt.  Our senses and our minds desire Sin, they will conspire to show us things, to let us discover lies, and objectively and inevitably arrive at falsehoods.

        Sin controls science, in other words.

        The only people who can know the truth of things are those that reject the worldly truths that are based on corrupted Sin-related beginnings and start with an axiomatic beginning including the bible.  (Since the bible is holy, Sin does not come from it.  Throwing it out, as scientists do, is seen as evidence of their allegiance to Sin.)

        Sin created the fossils.  Sin created the light in transit.  Sin created the geology of the rocks.  Sin created everything in the universe that seeks to undermine the Truth.  Sin created the ability to doubt the Truth.

        All of this happened when the fruit from the Tree of the knowledge of Good and Evil was eaten.  That disobedience created Sin.  And Sin broke the universe so badly that science cannot work without a beginning axiomatic guide to reality (the bible).  That must've been some epic fruit.

        The upshot is, they only have to reject science when it has a direct and immediate contradiction with theology.  Quite simply, if there seems to be a contradiction?  There's not.  Somehow, god prevents what you think is a contradiction from being one at all.  Have faith, regardless of the world, because the world, at its very foundation, lies to you.  God performs miracles, and that explains what you don't understand.

        Fuckin' miracles.

        Personally, I think this is cosmic horror of the first degree, worthy of Lovecraft, but some people think this is pretty awesome.

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