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  •  The black market will stay the only market (15+ / 0-)

    At least for some time.
    There's nothing in WA's law about paying taxes on it is there?  those who think that taxing weed is going to produce taax revenue are in lala land. Growers have been breaking the law forever and theyre not going to line up to pay taxes on what they grow.
    Its 50 years since I had my first puff. I may go out and burn an eyeopener now. The best thing ever for PTSD

    Happy just to be alive

    by exlrrp on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 04:19:08 AM PST

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    •  Heard a piece on NPR about this. (10+ / 0-)

      The state commission in charge of alcohol regulation will be issuing licenses and setting up taxation and so forth.
      I think eventually they'll get a handle on it and perhaps show other states that not only is the sky not going to fall, but that there's money to made.
      Lots of money.

      I can see Canada from my house. No, really, I can.

      by DuzT on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 05:35:18 AM PST

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    •  I think there is room for both (13+ / 0-)

      I don't think it will be a huge tax cash cow either but it can be regulated and taxed like alcohol.  I can make my own beer at home and drink it tax free.  I can't legally open a brewery in my garage and sell it by the case without permits etc.  I know that if I were growing it illegally now, I would prefer to pay for permits to grow it legally rather than risk having my business taken away.  It is like anything else.  People will break the law and get a way with it.  Some won't.  I for one would prefer to have it regulated and taxed because I would like to be able to purchase it legally and know that it is going to be consistent and safe.  The big savings will come from not having to pay for people that are getting three square meals a day in a jail or prison on possession charges.

      Of course, in addition to legalization, we also need to get rid of intrusive employer drug testing.  My employer is  pretty cool.  My contract with them only states that they can test me if I am involved in a workplace accident (not too likely since I work in a cubical) and even a positive test would mean paid rehab.  I have worked at places thought that could test me at any time and a positive result would mean immediately dismissal, so I could basically go out and get drunk every night after work but I couldn't smoke a joint every couple of weeks.  

      I have joked that for manual labor jobs where no danger is involved, employers should encourage their employees to smoke.  When I was in college and smoked regularly, I had a job weighing and packaging nuts and bolts for industrial use.  They loved me because as long as they didn't distract me, I could stand there for hours on end obsessively making sure each package was perfect and all they needed to provide was an occasional pizza and some good music.    

      •  Drug testing by employers and traffic cops is a (1+ / 0-)
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        major sticking point with this new law. It was one reason that the medical marijuana people were against it, as testing (especially for traffic offenses) is tougher on their clients.

        Better testing systems must be developed. The fact that THC can be detected in the body for weeks will continue to be a real problem for occasional users.

        •  Wrong. Please do not confuse detecting THC (0+ / 0-)

          with detecting THC metabolites which is what most drug tests do.  It is possible to test for the presence of THC itself which only stays in the body for a very short period of time.

          You have watched Faux News, now lose 2d10 SAN.

          by Throw The Bums Out on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 09:58:58 AM PST

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          •  Test for impairment. (0+ / 0-)

            Have some sort of test that tests either coordination or judgment and cognition.

            I've always found it silly that some companies test for MJ, yet do not test for health problems that might impair a worker.

            In my mind if the person is impaired due to drugs or alcohol, emotional problems, or some undiagnosed illness that that should be the red line rather than some metabolites that do not impair.

          •  Excuse me, but it amounts to the same thing (0+ / 0-)

            and you're still screwed unless the standard tests are changed.

    •  They might if it means they can save more (3+ / 0-)

      money in growing openly and in larger amounts without worrying about getting busted.  But they'll have to get to that point before they can consider getting any tax money out of it.

    •  Wake 'n bake, baby! (0+ / 0-)

      I would too, but I got this work thing.

      I feel like I'm taking crazy pills!

      by itsjim on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 01:25:51 PM PST

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