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  •  It beats the alternative (6+ / 0-)

    which was (before the Federal law that required provisional ballots in case someone got turned away from the regular voting) people just got turned away -- "Sorry, your name isn't on the list." No vote cast, no record that they even showed up, no ability to go back and analyze who was being turned away and why.

    •  absolutely (3+ / 0-)
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      Sometimes people talk as if provisional ballots themselves were the problem. On the contrary, almost 20,000 Philadelphians, who otherwise would have been turned away from the polls without recourse -- and, as you say, without even being recorded) -- were able to vote on Election Day, and their votes counted. And Philadelphia has a head start on figuring out what went wrong and how to prevent it in the future.

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      by HudsonValleyMark on Thu Dec 06, 2012 at 09:19:34 AM PST

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    •  Or ... (1+ / 0-)
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      ... they'd have to go to the police station or wherever a local election judge was to get an order enabling them to vote.

      •  That would create mass chaos (0+ / 0-)

        A police station or local election judge cannot simply order the BoE to allow someone unregistered at their new address or who received a mail-in ballot to vote a regular ballot. There is a lengthy verification process on these two things, which accounted for an overwhelming majority of provisionals in my Ohio county, Cuyahoga. They need to be researched in the BoE database. To think that could be performed for tens of thousands of voters ON ELECTION DAY is nuts. It would make the waits in 2004 look like nothing. People would have to wait at their precinct polling places for hours before getting an answers, and the voting process would grind to a halt. People would still be voting the next day.

        Jon Husted is a dick.

        by anastasia p on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 11:46:27 PM PST

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    •  Correct. Without provisionals (0+ / 0-)

      hundreds of thousands of people here in Ohio would have been unable to cast a vote because they didn't change their address prior to the end of registration or they applied for a mail-in ballot but failed to return it (in some cases, apparently, someone else requested a ballot in their name and in effect would have stolen their vote, despite not voting that ballot). It would also be impossible to allow in-person election day voting at the board of elections. People would have to go to their precinct polling place.

      Jon Husted is a dick.

      by anastasia p on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 11:42:45 PM PST

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