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  •  I don't believe I was doing any of this (0+ / 0-)

    Rather, I was arguing against it. Or so I thought. But if your problem is with my and other progressives appearing to look down at stupid and racist whites who vote GOP in general, wherever they live in terms of region or city/country, and whether they're poor, middle class or rich, well, am I supposed to forgive them or look up to them? Or should I patronze them and excuse their behavior?

    Sorry, can't and won't do that. We can argue over what's the best way to reach out to them or whether it's even possible or worth the effort, but over here in the land of the reality-based, there's simply no way to view them except as stupid, ignorant and racist, because that's what they ARE, objectively speaking (and trust me, they don't read this blog, or are likely to have heard of it).

    So, to be clear, I'm not trashing the south, midwest or non-coastal west, rural America, white people, poor people, working class people, religious people, and all the other "flyover America" stereotypes. I'm trashing stupid, ignorant, hateful and racist people, wherever they live, whatever they do and whatever their class. And I believe that this is also true of most progressives you refer to.

    However, having said that, such people are clearly overrepresented in certain regions, namely the south and rural America, as per survey after survey, poll after poll and election after election. It's not an opinion, let alone a negative one. As Obama put it, in a different context, it's just math (and btw he was dead on in that "cling to their guns and religion" speech). And any attempt to fix this must begin with an acknowledgement of this reality.

    Also, I disagree with you about historical condescension toward the south and its historically more rural, less educated and poorer people. During the founding it was progressives like Hamilton who tried to implement policies that would help the south move past its agrarian neo-feudal past, via national financial and economic policies, government support for industry, education, roads, standards, etc. (not to mention the gradual abolition of slavery). And it was self-imagined champions of the south like Jefferson who actively fought against this, hiding behind "states rights" nonsense but in reality just protecting their own privileges and positions as neo-aristocrats at the top of its social and economic ladder.

    You need to make up your mind, do you really want to help the south and its poorer and less educated people (and similarly lagging regions), which requires government help including at the national level, or do you want to fixate over tone and language and what kinds of help are condescending and not?

    "Liberty without virtue would be no blessing to us" - Benjamin Rush, 1777

    by kovie on Fri Dec 07, 2012 at 06:40:32 AM PST

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