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  •  Read "Mutual Aid" by Kropokitn. (4+ / 0-)

    Also read Debt: The first 5,00O years by Graeber.

    The notion that we're primarily naturally competitive within our own communities is a myth.

    Far more observed in earlier cultures is the tendency to communal sharing and mutual aid.

    The barter economy, as the age-old basis to economies in early society is a myth. It didn't exist.

    Humans are social animals, and built into our evolution is the tendency to sharing, teamwork, cooperation, and mutual aid. Certainly there is competition as well, but to assign that as the principle trait is simply false.

    Almost all humans are communists with family and friends.

    "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

    by ZhenRen on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 11:44:34 AM PST

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    •  Oops... "Kropotkin" n/t (1+ / 0-)
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      One Pissed Off Liberal

      "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

      by ZhenRen on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 11:59:36 AM PST

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    •  And yet... (0+ / 0-)

      ...we've only achieved the current standards of living, massively higher than any previously ever known in history, by competition and (relatively) free markets.

      Everything has to be paid for in one way or another.

      (-5.50,-6.67): Left Libertarian
      Leadership doesn't mean taking a straw poll and then just throwing up your hands. -Jyrinx

      by Sparhawk on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 01:09:14 PM PST

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      •  Your implicit assumption (5+ / 0-)

        is that we couldn't have a decent standard of living without the exploitation of the 80 to 90 percent who are middle and lower class.

        And the standard of living to which you refer is nonexistent for many at the bottom, and the middle class is losing ground day by day.

        Those cheap items at chain stores were made by moving jobs overseas, where fellow humans are working and living in horrid conditions, paid miserable, paltry sums, all to prop up the illusion of this "standard of living" you speak of.

        Those with a decent standard of living in a capitalistic society often derives from the poverty of others who are often not even seen or known, and certainly not even considered.

        We don't need to be at each others throats to succeed.

        We don't need greed and economic inequality to succeed.

        We don't need to reduce people to wage slavery to succeed.

        We don't need poverty, built into the system, to thrive.

        Unless, that is, those who have more than the rest fear a decline in wealth. Wealth exists only at the expense of the poor.

        As to everything having to be "paid for", as if money always existed, that is not accurate. Certainly, the necessities for living must be produced so that each person has access according to their needs. And certainly, people are expected to contribute time and effort according to their abilities to produce housing, food, and other necessities. That is the long and short of it. That is how it is all paid for.

        There are more enlightened ways to organize and provide for our needs. We need not be consigned to an eternity of greed.

        "In times of universal deceit, telling the truth will be a revolutionary act." -George Orwell

        by ZhenRen on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 01:44:02 PM PST

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