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  •  But Venice didn't. And actually, they (3+ / 0-)

    couldn't. The Medicis were worth more than all the nobility of Venice and the Pope at that time.

    Again, it comes down to character and values. Always does. And there will never be a way to limit those with drive, smarts, and connections from becoming filthy rich. You just have to look at the several-dacha owning bigwigs of the Soviet Union to see that, even when the laws supposedly made such inequality impossible.

    Now, make them pay high tax rates? Absolutely. But until people evolve past herd-instinct there will always be people who seek to be at the top of the herd, and no scheme or structure can stop it.


    The Internet is just the tail of the Corporate Media dog.

    by Jim P on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 01:28:04 PM PST

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    •  And they built grand cathederals (6+ / 0-)

      and sponsored wonderful art, while the poor were counted lucky if they managed to earn enough bread to survive one more day by poling barges through shit filled canals for 16 hours.

      But, well, at least there are some pretty pictures to show for it.

      This place needs a PVP server.

      by JesseCW on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 01:41:40 PM PST

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      •  Yes, I'm sure the starving wretches really (2+ / 0-)
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        thought those fantastic buildings and artworks were fabulous.  Beat eating, that's for sure.  

        Keep a foot on the throat of the poor and praise the rich.  The Medicis were an organized crime ring far uglier than a lot of the present day examples.  Just because they used their ill-gotten gains for art and architecture doesn't cleanse their blood money.

        "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

        by YucatanMan on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 06:28:50 PM PST

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        •  The life expectancy in a Carnegie steel mill (0+ / 0-)

          was 11 years in the 1890's.

          I don't mean turn over.  I mean one in eleven men died on the job every year.

          But, well, he sure did build a nice hall.

          That's Nobilis Obliges.

          This place needs a PVP server.

          by JesseCW on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 03:44:25 AM PST

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    •  Again, that proves the point: the wealthy (3+ / 0-)

      held more power than government: a condition which the Founders of the USA were determined to prevent.

      They favored high estate taxes to prevent that sort of situation from occurring.

      You can't fully talk about the Medicis' values without pointing out the murderous schemes they hatched.  Not sure that was really beneficial.

      "The law is meant to be my servant and not my master, still less my torturer and my murderer." -- James Baldwin. July 11, 1966.

      by YucatanMan on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 06:27:04 PM PST

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