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  •  If the left has no leverage (2+ / 0-)
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    it is only because it hasn't the wit to seize it.

    Nothing human is alien to me.

    by WB Reeves on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 03:57:09 PM PST

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    •  Uh, nope. We have nowhere else to go and (2+ / 0-)
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      the DNC knows it.

      That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

      by enhydra lutris on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 04:44:16 PM PST

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      •  The DNC (0+ / 0-)

        also knows that the recent election wins were based on a broadly progressive coalition of African Americans, Latinos, Asian Americans, LGBTs and progressive whites. It was by mobilizing these folks to vote that they won.

        Further, the elections produced some genuine advances at the state level with the success of local initiatives on Marriage Equality and Marijuana
        Legalization/decriminalization.

        It isn't question of such folks having no place to go, it's question of supplying them with a motivation to vote. That can't be accomplished without empowering them both in terms of policies adopted and autonomous political action.

        Nothing human is alien to me.

        by WB Reeves on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 05:05:25 PM PST

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        •  Oh, they have a motivation to vote and (1+ / 0-)
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          regularly do so, but, they also have no clout. We have seen this in election after election, they are, to at least a slight degree, courted for their cash contributions, volunteer hours and votes and then stiffed after the elections (Federal level.) You seem the same pattern over the past few decades with labor too. At the federal level it has been the same with the gays until the last couple of years and even there the change was wrt to repeal  DADT which had a ton of popular support and bipartisan support.

          That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

          by enhydra lutris on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 05:44:30 PM PST

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          •  So you don't think (0+ / 0-)

            there was any difference in turnout between this year and say 2011? You don't think that popular mobilizations like Wisconsin and OWS had any impact?

            It seems to me that the RW and the GOP based their expectations for the 2012 elections on similar assumptions. They assumed that 2010 was an aberration and that the old pattern of turnout would reassert itself. Hence the disarray on the Right in the wake of their defeat.

            Democratic prospects for 2014 and beyond depend on consolidating and maintaining their new level of turnout. That isn't going to happen if they simply return to business as usual. Not that it's impossible that they could delude themselves on this point, which is why it is necessary to make the consequences of doing so apparent to them now.  

            Nothing human is alien to me.

            by WB Reeves on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 06:01:38 PM PST

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            •  You seem to confuse the left voting Dem (2+ / 0-)
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              with the left having clout within the party.  The left votes Dem because the alternative is horrible to think about. End of story. The party kinows that, hence the left has no leverage. End of story.

              That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

              by enhydra lutris on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 10:02:21 PM PST

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              •  Implicit in your argument (1+ / 0-)
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                is the idea that the Dems either don't care if the Left votes for them, or alternately, they believe that the Left will vote for them no matter what they do.

                As I indicated above, either is a possibility but do you think these are accurate assumptions?

                Or is that the Dems don't care enough about winning future elections that they're uninterested in keeping the coalition that makes winning possible intact?

                Nothing human is alien to me.

                by WB Reeves on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 10:53:50 PM PST

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                •  My two cents? (1+ / 0-)
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                  WB Reeves

                  The Democratic Party believes the "left" will vote for them because the have nowhere else to go. As for your last paragraph,I believe the Dem Party isn't uninterested but rather is short-sighted about what it is going to take to keep that coalition intact.

                  "George RR Martin is not your bitch" ~~ Neil Gaiman

                  by tardis10 on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 11:11:37 PM PST

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