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  •  They will do what they wish to do, not (3+ / 0-)
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    necessarily wht progressives want them to do. If there is a happy coincidence, cool, if not, then it sucks, but the left has no club and no power. I am represented by a Democrat who ran on the necessity for bipartisanship and compromise. This in the Area Area, next door to Barbara Lee, where nobody can claim that one has to be a Blue Dog in order to get elected, but one ran and won all the same.

    That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

    by enhydra lutris on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 03:57:42 PM PST

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    •  Not sure what this proves (0+ / 0-)

      Did a progressive run in the primary against them? We all know that not every Dem could be described as left or even progressive. You say that there's no reason to run as a Blue Dog in your district, so why no progressive insurgent challenge?

      Nothing human is alien to me.

      by WB Reeves on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 04:13:15 PM PST

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      •  New district, top 2 primary, Stark v newbie, (1+ / 0-)
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        newbie won.

        That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

        by enhydra lutris on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 04:46:10 PM PST

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        •  What was Stark's orientation? N/T (1+ / 0-)
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          Nothing human is alien to me.

          by WB Reeves on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 04:47:40 PM PST

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          •  Old, liberal, attacked for age and other things (1+ / 0-)
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            more than based on liberal ideology.

            That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

            by enhydra lutris on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 05:39:42 PM PST

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            •  So not a progressive alternative? (0+ / 0-)

              I'm trying figure out why, if being a Blue Dog isn't necessary in your district, you ended up without an effective progressive alternative.

              Nothing human is alien to me.

              by WB Reeves on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 05:46:03 PM PST

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              •  I must not be communicating very well or (0+ / 0-)

                you must not be getting what I'm saying. Stark was progressive. It was not a progressive v. Blue Dog campaign, the conservadems attacked Stark on other grounds, with press support. The GOP voters and libertoons, natch, would've voted for the Blue Dog as well as conservadems.

                That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

                by enhydra lutris on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 09:58:41 PM PST

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                •  Ok, so Sparks was a progressive (0+ / 0-)

                  and there were enough RWs and Conservadems in your district to give a majority to the Blue Dog.

                  Have I got it right?

                  Nothing human is alien to me.

                  by WB Reeves on Sat Dec 08, 2012 at 10:27:36 PM PST

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                  •  Not completely, but I doubt you ever will. (0+ / 0-)

                    That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

                    by enhydra lutris on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 09:08:43 AM PST

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                    •  That doesn't seem very candid (0+ / 0-)

                      In fact, it sounds rather elitist.

                      Nothing human is alien to me.

                      by WB Reeves on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 10:48:13 AM PST

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                      •  You have an idea and won't let go of it, but (0+ / 0-)

                        the facts probably aren't simple enough. Here's an example:

                        Candidate A is pro-choice, it is well known and is in his campaign literature.

                        Candidate B is anti-choice, also known but less widely because he is a newbie. His campaign literature says so.

                        Much evidence over many yars indicates that the district is significantly pro-choice.

                        Candidate A campaigns against B on the grounds that B is crooked, engages in pay-to-play at his current position, is beholden to specific special interests and is inexperienced.

                        Candidate B campaigns on the grounds that  A is old, senile, frequently absent from DC but also almost never in his district, that he is making false charges out of desperation, etc.

                        The press supports B, skewing its reportage and editorializing on his behalf.

                        B wins. B is anti-choice, but that is an accident. The campaign was not about choice and is not a referendum as to choice.

                        B did not have to adopt an anti-choice position in order to be elected. He could have been elected, and maybe would've even had a greater margin if he had been pro-choice.

                        Now, change pro and anti choice to a whole bundle of positions that resolve to liberal/progressive and blue dog and go back through the exercise.

                        That, in its essence, is fascism--ownership of government by an individual, by a group, or by any other controlling private power. -- Franklin D. Roosevelt --

                        by enhydra lutris on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 01:54:39 PM PST

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                        •  Thanks very much (0+ / 0-)

                          for taking time to flesh out the situation for me. It sounds as though Sparks was pretty much out gunned. I appreciate your effort.

                          Still, it isn't at all clear to me how this local case supports your larger assertions regarding "leverage" or the Dems ignoring their Left base. Perhaps, as you suggest, I just don't "get it."

                          Nothing human is alien to me.

                          by WB Reeves on Tue Dec 11, 2012 at 01:02:12 PM PST

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