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  •  Any rancher who kills wolves (13+ / 0-)

    should lose their grazing privileges on BLM land.

    Period.

    Just knowing that this has happened makes me feel sick- i cannot bring myself to look at the article.

    I also have the same issue with the murder of coyotes in New England.
    They are hunted at night, with spotlights, which is illegal, until the entire pack is gone.

    No amount of reasonable discussion will ever convince some yahoo with bloodlust that it is the most ignorant act to kill a top tier predator.

    •  Why are they shooting coyotes. (4+ / 0-)

      We live WITH them in the west.  

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      by Desert Rose on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 05:37:12 AM PST

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      •  There is open season on coyotes (24+ / 0-)

        They kill them because they can.

        As a farmer, i was thrilled to live beside them.
        They kept my fields free of woodchucks, helped themselves to drop apples and old veggies from my compost pile, ate voles in the orchard and never gave me or my dog one speck of trouble.

        And, as a bonus, they sang to me at night.

        I wish all of my neighbors had been so admirable.

        •  You bet. I love the night songs (6+ / 0-)

          and they keep our packrat population down.  My dad would ask, "So what do you think of the Human Species?"

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          by Desert Rose on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 06:50:42 AM PST

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          •  When i lived in the Tucson Mts (8+ / 0-)

            i would walk my dog early- 7:30 am before the big heat set in.
            Almost every day we would intersect with the coyotes, still on the move from their nocturnal adventures.

            Often, it would be 30 feet or so between us.
            Alpha parent would stop, turn, check us out ...my dog, using good sense , would just stand there and not go all barking she-devil... and when they saw we were harmless, would just lead the family across the road.

            I loved to see this pair- i am sure they recognized us- and was so sad when one of the pups died, probably of snake bite.

            If people would just stop and observe the nature around them, whether it be a tree full of cedar waxwings or a pack of coyotes, they might begin to see the necessary connection between us all.

        •  But coyotes will kill a dog (0+ / 0-)

          That is not to say that one should be allowed to shoot them for any old reason, but the fact that YOUR dog was never harmed is an anecdote, not a statistic.  

          I have no problem with coyotes and we have them where I live, but they are trapped and there is a season on them, and coyotes that have lost their fear of people can sometimes become dangerous.  

          There are documented cases of them attacking leashed dogs in cities.

          This is one of many:

          http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/...

          •  The coyotes i saw every day (1+ / 0-)
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            were wild animals but we understood each other in the space where we came together.

            I have had coyotes take a number of my cats but i would never set out to kill them for it.
            Their death was on me- i didn't provide  the proper protection for them and they paid for it.

            The problem with coyotes wandering into cities is caused by habitat loss and encroachment into the coyotes territory.
            Animal families do not wander but tend to stay, generation after generation, in the same location. Unless they are forced out of their territory by agressive hunting or development.

            We are the intruders.
            We should learn to live with them and be observant of the natural world.

            They have much to teach us about family and loyalty.

            •  The reason (0+ / 0-)

              coyotes wander into urban parks and suburbs is because those areas provide good habitat for them, not necessarily because they've been pushed out of their own habitat.

              We don't have squirrels, chickadees, raccoons, and skunks in cities because we destroyed their habitat.  We have them because cities ARE good habitat for them.

              Pigeons proliferate inland on flat land in a way they never could were it not for buildings to roost on.

              "Urban coyotes survive far longer than their rural cousins. A coyote living in urban Chicago has a 60-percent chance of surviving for one year, while a rural coyote has a 30 percent chance of living for another year."

              http://researchnews.osu.edu/...

              Coyotes have joined the list of animals that thrive in human populations.   They are here because this is good habitat for them (better than rural habitat), not because they have nowhere else to go.

              I live in a densely populated area surrounded by thousands of acres of forest, in an urban footprint that hasn't grown much in decades, yet you can find coyotes in large parks and waste areas throughout the urban areas.

      •  Don't know, but in FL coyotes do in fact pick (2+ / 0-)
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        off livestock and are often a real problem for farmers. My favorite solution I've seen so far:  include a donkey or two on your farm.  They don't like coyotes, and the coyotes know it, and often stay away.

        Coyotes have been hell on the Florida fox, but I don't want to kill coyotes wholesale, regardless.

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        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 08:14:59 AM PST

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        •  You can also go back to having (1+ / 0-)
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          stock-guarding dogs.  A Great Pyr is a deterrent to a coyote, but the practice of using dogs on livestock was never a strong tradition here.  It got left in the old world, for some reason.  I for one would like to see it gain favor.  It's a more humane solution to human/wildlife conflict, and I think it's good for dogs to breed some of them for actual jobs instead of almost exclusively as pets.

      •  We also shoot them on site in any part of the west (0+ / 0-)

        I've lived in. Of course I only spent a couple days in San Francisco and I don't know if western CA is actually part of the west anymore.

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        by ban nock on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 08:24:02 AM PST

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        •  no "WE" don't (0+ / 0-)

          I might shoot a coyote if it stalks my pets a number of times but generally I find them to be harmless and have no reason to kill them. I've lived in may parts of the west and find that most people are very tolerant of coyotes. But I do know some more bloodthirsty types who would shoot coyotes on sight if they can. I pity them too.

          btw, the three words... cite, site and sight have different meanings.

          America could have chosen to be the worlds doctor, or grocer. We choose instead to be her policeman. pity

          by cacamp on Sun Dec 09, 2012 at 06:08:15 PM PST

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